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slash para cast we are on location

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aren't we my friend we are indeed

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explain to our listeners where we are

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and why we are here well we're at the

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International UFO Congress the 2012

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edition and this is the largest UFO

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convention I think in the world if I'm

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not mistaken and it also features a

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wonderful pool of kool-aid the to

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believers love to frolic in and have

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their way with each other all right

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explain to our listeners what you mean

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by the kool-aid well I've really not

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enjoyed going to many of these

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conferences in the past because of the

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lack of critical thinking I think in a

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lot of the attendees this year though we

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have a film in the film festival for the

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EB Award so I kind of made it my point

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to be down here for the whole soiree and

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it's very interesting walking around and

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listening to some of the conversations

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of people that have totally suspended

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all this belief in scientific

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rationalism as they go into booze and

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have scans for implants and by little

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alien heads and little tchotchkes I

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brought enough calamine lotion this year

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for the rashes that I tend to break out

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and know around these types of events so

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okay they scan for alien implants okay

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scan for alien implants how do you do

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that I I haven't checked out the

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technology the guy evidently is a

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medical technologist if you will and he

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has devised some sort of interesting

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device that he waves over your body and

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an implant sure of course Stan Romanek

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has four accounted for in each arm you

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know the guy evidently is really popular

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with the with the anal probe set

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kind of reminds me of that statue you

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got yeah it looks like a thin long

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something listen ET it's actually easy

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yeah that's the EB the EB yeah okay our

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film it could happen tomorrow which is a

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compilation documentary representing

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this one of a five disc set we have 20

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hours of some of our top ufologists

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discussing the disclosure topic and I

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was asked to come in and co produce the

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documentary the standalone hour

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documentary that encapsulates the whole

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20 hours and we entered it into the the

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long-form film category for the EB Award

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and and we we won and and that's quite

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gratifying and we also won the the

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People's Choice Award which is even

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doubly gratifying no it sounds like

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something that you really have to be

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proud of you get the statue you don't

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get like a check for $10,000 no and a

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round trip to Tahiti or something I

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haven't surprised it didn't win an

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all-expense-paid vacation to Sedona how

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about an all-expense-paid vacation to

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Mars or something that would be cool I

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have to work out a little bit to get

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ready for the spacesuit but well you

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know you have to do a lot of walking but

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you know watch the hamburgers in the

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fries right exactly

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no ice cream sandwiches no no no no

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bagels cut down on the beer definitely

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cut down the beer yep

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and you'd be all set to make that trip

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yeah but you know congratulations

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because you know you're standing in

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there and things like this very hard to

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predict they are I didn't think we had a

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snowball's chance in hell and winning

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because I've kind of disenfranchised

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myself with some of the open minds to

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believers and my radical sort of views

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are not well-received in some circles

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okay and so it was very gratifying to

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see acknowledgment of a three-year

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process of thousand plus hours of work

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that went into this project and then

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when they called us up and said you know

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come on and back up for the People's

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Choice Award that was a you know that

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was kind of sweet vindication I get how

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did this work how do they make the

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selection People's Choice does that mean

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people who attend this event vote for

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have ballots at all the tables and if

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you've seen the films a lot of people of

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course haven't seen them all but if

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you've seen a film that you like you

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rate it from one to five five being the

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best and then they tabulate while the

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other award ceremony is going on they

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tabulate the results in the back and

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then they announce the People's Choice

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Award winner right there it's kind of

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like a People's Academy basically and

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and because our film was was very

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serious it has historic implications in

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that it is the most extensive in-depth

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look at the subject of disclosure the

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other films were were nice they were

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entertaining but they didn't really have

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the gravitas they didn't have all the

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big names in ufology we had 25 of the

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top ufologists in there I could rattle

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the list off we've had them all on the

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show it definitely kind of was head and

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shoulders subject matter wise I think

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over the other entry so it was really a

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no-brainer one of our producers Ronald

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James who we're gonna have on the show

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here in the near future he told me he

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had to go back to LA before the awards

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so he couldn't attend but he said oh

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come on Chris you know it's not only are

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we gonna win the best film we're gonna

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win the People's Choice Award because it

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was a very serious project and we we

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really put a lot of time into it it's

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interesting though I'm one of three

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dissenting views in the piece now how

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does that turn out you join me in saying

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this disclosure thing is not going to

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gain traction no even drawing since 1955

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in major novelty yeah I mean what part

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of that the people here did not

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understand I don't think there's a

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snowball's chance in hell that the

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government's ever going to admit that

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they've been lying to us for 60 years

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and even if they did tell us the truth

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we could never know if it was the truth

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because they've been lying because we

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don't believe the government by the way

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parenthetically the microphone we are

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using to capture this episode of the

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power camp is rolling down the hill is

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from blue mic it is called the snowball

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and boy the snowball started rolling

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down the hill and and we had some fun

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you know the the whole subject of

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disclosure gene is is one that you know

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I've been very public about my feelings

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about the possibility that that could

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ever happen and I find it interesting

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that that I was selected to be the one

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to put together a nob

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active journalistic view of the subject

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so I really had to bend over backwards

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apart in the expression to to maintain a

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real objective point of view when I was

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editing and putting a piece together

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because now listening to all the people

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editing it you're listening to all the

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speeches probably ten times to get the

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edits right a hundred and ten times 110

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times I was being conservative okay so

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basically you heard this film a hundred

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ten times coming down to the final edit

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then you listen to the final edit to

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make sure you don't have to tweak it

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it's not a simple process folks making a

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professional know caliber film no this

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is the real deal okay so did anything in

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what you heard change anew for your

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opinions no it didn't but what it did do

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was educate me about why we are in this

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position now here in 2012 with sixty

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plus years of background information

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that was presented by our very very you

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know fine researchers in the project

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that are featured and what's interesting

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about this particular film called it

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could happen tomorrow which is an

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interesting title based on my opinion

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but what what's interesting is is

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Jennifer Stein one of our producers who

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were going to be talking to she came up

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with the idea instead of interviewing

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these people talking into a camera let's

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interview them talking to each other so

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it's almost like you have an inside view

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on private conversations between

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ufologists and that's a really that was

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a brilliant idea and it really makes for

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compelling repartee between ufologists

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and they're able to let their hair down

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and really really give you some insight

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into their private you know the private

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thinking and and it just translates so

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well on film

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when it's a conversation between equals

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instead of having somebody under the

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glare of lights talking into a camera

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well it sounds like something that is

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going to be a lot of fun to watch

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especially the five DVD set yeah because

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you get to see what five six hours of

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material think it's two hours per so

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it's ten level what's like twelve hours

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yeah thank you twelve or fifteen hours

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of material okay yeah so this is an

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all-day session yeah oh yeah no this is

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a real historic document I think it

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really encapsulate the entire

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disclosures subject better the question

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of course I guess we all have is

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where do we go from here well according

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to Steve Bassett we're gonna be doing

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the the latest White House initiative of

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course I think his second go-around here

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he's not put the word extraterrestrial

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in there if I'm if I remember correctly

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okay the first one got a decent number

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of people sign in the White House got

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their third assistant flunky to sign off

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and say there's no evidence that UFOs

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are spaceships goodbye exactly and

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somebody works so they have a second one

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now which is trying to look into the

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Rockefeller initiative

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Laurance Rockefeller what who was a

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philanthropist of course for the famed

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Rockefeller family who got interested in

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UFOs late in his life and put money

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where his mouth was he did and he

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actually put money where my mouth was

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hello for two years I was pretty

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fortunate we'll have to get into that

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last year when we were at this

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particular event we interviewed Richard

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Dolan who's one half of the writing team

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of a book called after disclosure so it

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was fitting that we get the other half

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of that writing team Bryce sable but

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Bryce welcome first to the para cast

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we're glad to have you aboard and the

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first question going to ask here is how

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do you make it from producer to author

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especially about UFO related stuff it is

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a transition but on the other hand its

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kind of its kind of puts me in a place

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where I've been heading all my career I

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started writing a UFO movie back in the

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80s because I thought it was a great

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story but I like to do my research and

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as I began to research the content of

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that movie which later was aired on this

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sci-fi channel is official denial I

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realized that there was a lot more to

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this than meets the eye and in fact that

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it was likely true at least the big big

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picture was true if not all the details

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and once you realize that as you guys

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well melon is your listeners know you

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can't go away from that you have to you

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have to follow that thread so I was

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lucky enough to write some projects that

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actually got made on this topic and and

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I continue to do that and now I'm kind

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of living on both both sides of the

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fence the TV series dark scars yes which

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is one of my favorite TV shows I was

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bummed when it when it will not be as

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bummed as we were because really so many

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people have to work so hard to make a

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television series but I I look back on

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the making of dark skies and think how

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incredible it was that we got a

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establishment u.s. television network to

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give us 40 million dollars to make

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something as versatile as dark skies

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which basically in its pilot argues that

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John F Kennedy was going to disclose the

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truth of UFOs in his second term and had

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that cut short so the whole series is

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sort of a debate about disclosure with

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the leader of majestic 12 being one of

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the characters who says basically the

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people can't handle the truth and the

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young recruit into the organization the

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John Lowen guard character basically

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saying the people have a right to know

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and and what's interesting about

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disclosure debate there

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is that that's a fair fight it is

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possible to say at the same time with

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complete truth the people can't handle

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the truth and the people have a right to

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know these are kind of mutually

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exclusive and yet they're their

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legitimate legitimate points of view

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which network that is NBC NBC and this

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is a time what year was this NIT well it

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went on the air in 96 and finished in 97

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was this during the Seinfeld era

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well you Steinfeld was still on the

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thing about it that gift makes it

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current now is that Iowa's wanted it to

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get out on DVD so people could see it

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because the truth is this it aired

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before the rise of DVRs and so I don't

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know about you guys or your your

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listeners but most people don't try to

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stay home on Saturday night they try to

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go out to dinner with friends or go to

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parties or whatever they're not home to

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follow a television series regularly you

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see Saturday is death for total you take

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this show that's been canceled and you

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have four episodes in the camp

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yeah like the firm based on the John

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Grisham novel that series now you see it

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on Saturday pickets been canceled

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they've got terrible ratings there you

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go well I have to say though dark skies

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got on NBC with them attempting to turn

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Saturday night into something real they

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called it the thrillogy

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and they had three Series in a row and

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they were trying to make Saturday night

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appointment viewing for a whole

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generation of viewers but it didn't it

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doesn't work and now it might have so

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for 14 years I've been trying to get

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this thing released and finally last

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year 2011 the dark skies series finally

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came out on DVD all 20 hours of it

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including two versions of the pilot that

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were shot for very interesting reasons

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including all of the extras and the

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goodies and the behind the scenes stuff

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so I finally feel like we did it right

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and it's a beautiful thing okay did you

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have a proper ending at the end of the

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season a proper enough I knew that we

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were probably not coming back so I gave

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it a strong degree of closure for that

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season but left the door open obviously

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to continue it on and and it hurts very

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much that we never did get to finish it

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what about like a movie of the week at

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sci-fi channel is that something that

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could ever happen

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I would love for that to happen and I

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think a lot of other creators and

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developers of television series that are

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prematurely canceled would like to see

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that happen well happily Farscape

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Farscape got knocked down with what four

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years or three years rare though either

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I've certainly argued and tried to pitch

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for this and and people have been

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resistant particularly I think the

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sci-fi channel by the way could have an

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entire business model where they allowed

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all these great sci-fi see Russ to come

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back to come back for two hours I did

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another show called The Crow stairway to

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heaven which also had the same problem

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had to end after a season and it would

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be incredibly interesting to bring that

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cast back together and reinterpret and

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give it a proper closure that you know

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give it give it some fun and and make it

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a finale that that's meaningful well

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right now the sci-fi channel and

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Saturday night they have these grade C

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movies because their model for those

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kind of movies is to spend almost

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nothing on them of course and they may

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get one actor that you recognize from

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the genre series well let me put it this

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way I'd be more likely to succeed with a

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repressing of dark skies by going to

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Sony who still owns the the fern who

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owns the show and pitching them the the

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feature film version of it then I would

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to get them to let me do a TV version of

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it to wrap it up so it would be get 40

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million to make a 40 million dollar

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movie yeah would be expensive I mean

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imagine we could be done yeah we spent

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six million dollars on the dark skies

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pilot which was a lot for a pilot in the

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1990s understand also let me put our

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listeners in perspective forty million

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dollars in the 1990s is like 100 120

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million dollars now whatever you know

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that I don't know it how it converts but

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it was a lot we were able to do good

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work and that pilot is extremely you

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know it was a period piece takes place

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in the 1960s that's cars and costumes

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and hairstyles but it looks beautiful

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and it holds up so well today but it

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would be very interesting to recast it

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with feature film quality actors

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although our actors very good

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listeners because you know I'm thinking

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a lot of listeners don't remember 15

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year old TV of course not who was it you

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recognize some of these people you know

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if you're others here the tus the young

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couple on the run was Eric close and

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Megan Ward more people are familiar

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they're a close that he did I thank

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almost 11 years on without a trace right

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he's played on that CI a series a year

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or so ago

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he's been on series he works constantly

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the person people remember very clearly

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is was leader of majestic 12

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Frank Bach played by JT Walsh a fabulous

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him in a thousand things from outbreak

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to Nixon a few good men

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a few good good end a few good men he

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played this crazy and guy who blows the

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whistle on Jack Nicholson's camera and

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he was a scary guy on camera and in

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person oh he died he died after the dark

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sky series concluded about a month or

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two later but he was he was a very hit

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the intensity he had as a human being

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let me put that as artfully as possible

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the intensity as a human being

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translated into a sort of a tightly

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died but had a very a great sense of

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to it if you can back into para cast on

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Congress or we have the award-winning

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heroes standing ovations laughs thank

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you

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that was well deserving a great project

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thanks you yeah yeah Ron did a great job

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and in Jennifer - I mean it was a labor

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of love but one thing I want to mention

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Bryce when I was in the thick of an

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intense UFO wave in the San Luis Valley

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96 was probably the most intense year

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that I investigated at one point 17

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cases came in one day just to give you

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an idea of how intense it was it's

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intense when your show came on I thought

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to myself these guys are way ahead of

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the curve I'm not sure if the audience

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is gonna is is gonna be able to accept

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this the whole premise and I was so

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excited about the show and I think you

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were about ten years ahead of your time

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I think it was almost too much for some

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people to wrap their heads around and I

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think if a show like that had come out

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in let's say ten years later it would

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have been a huge smash hit I don't care

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what night it was on because you had the

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x-file thing kind of taken off and and

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people were starting to get aware of the

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more deeper darker sinister aspects of

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disclosure and the related subjects at

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dark skies covered but I think I think a

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show in in a feature film like that

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would be huge right now I really do but

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also you bring up a good point about the

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x-files which is a phenomenally terrific

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and and successful show we happen to be

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coming out around the time the x-files

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was also on and so our core audience

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that should have embraced dark skies

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because it was hardly a copy of the

721
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exponent is completely differently but

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but some of our people who would

723
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normally be counted upon to support us

724
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fans have a way of choosing sides and so

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there was a sense that they had to

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choose their their favorite already of

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the x-files and I think what time has

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done for us and the DVD release has

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allowed people to see

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is completely distinct and separate

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processes and oranges yeah but it was a

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subversive show because just to lay the

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concept that a little cleaner here we

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have a situation taking place in the

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1960s where all of the sixties

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historical currents are woven into the

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UFO mystery so we had episodes to dealt

738
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with Vietnam the civil rights movement

739
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even Beatlemania we had John Lennon in

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this series so of course I understand

741
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John Lennon saw a UFO not only did he

742
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see a UFO

743
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he was outspoken in interviews after

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Heather said that about how incredible

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it would be to society and he mentioned

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it in one of his songs I ain't surprised

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that is the line right I ain't too

748
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surprised what's interesting is that

749
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would have probably been a better

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sighting except that when Lennon saw it

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he was naked standing up so here you

752
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have a UFO report and John Lennon's

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naked on his rooftop and was

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historically known for certain drug use

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so of course but that was an easy one to

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bat down and yet as fountain said

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without any shadow of a doubt she shared

758
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the experience of a salute oh yeah yeah

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I think that I think it really happened

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and of course who better for it to

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happen to them John Lennon yeah we

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should have mentioned also for those who

763
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don't know the history may pang is this

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woman who replaced Yoko Ono and Yoko's

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bass yes by the for about a year or so

766
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yes Yoko and John were on the outs

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I meant Mei pang when I was working at

768
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ABC back in the eighties totally nice

769
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lady and I enjoyed meeting her yeah

770
00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:02,510
let's move on and talk about your new

771
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project yeah this is the really exciting

772
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:06,410
the little that I know about it now I

773
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get to hear you know the full scoop I've

774
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,980
actually got two things that are sort of

775
00:31:13,930 --> 00:31:11,840
occupying my life right now one is a

776
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:13,940
book called ad after disclosure while

777
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:16,610
the other is a movie that I'm trying to

778
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put together called magic men okay and

779
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:20,660
I'll tell you what let us go ahead first

780
00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:22,520
and remind people about after disclosure

781
00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:24,020
this book that you wrote with Richard

782
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:26,180
Dolan yes and you assume in a certain

783
00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:27,830
thing that's going to happen that

784
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ultimately there will be some kind of

785
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Revelation and or disclosure

786
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for reality and I think we should get

787
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into that because the movie that Chris

788
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:39,929
won the award for that's showing people

789
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:42,150
discussing disclosure most of them

790
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:45,030
accept the possibility as I gather you

791
00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:46,860
you expect at this point the government

792
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:49,350
has guilty knowledge about UFO reality

793
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right well I do but I would back off it

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up slightly and say that the way I would

795
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define disclosure is simply that someone

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who seems to be in an official capacity

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whether it be a president of a prime

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00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:03,030
minister or a pope simply acknowledge a

799
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:04,710
basic fact that some of these things

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00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,510
that are flying around in the sky is not

801
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:08,880
all of them some of them are from

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00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:10,890
someplace that isn't here and their

803
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,990
advanced technology flown by somebody

804
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,760
that isn't us right all right that's a

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00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:16,620
pretty basic consensus kind of view

806
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:18,150
that's a good way but that if we

807
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:20,190
acknowledge that or are forced to

808
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:21,330
acknowledge I don't think anyone's

809
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:23,070
behind the scenes is planning some big

810
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,340
announcement but if events cause it to

811
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be something that's on everybody's mind

812
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,880
and some kind of acknowledgement does

813
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happen Richard Dolan and I wrote what we

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feel is the the RAND Corporation version

815
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of analyzing how that would change the

816
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,510
world obviously we can see where the

817
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:41,940
opposition would be yes people who do

818
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,080
not want that to happen

819
00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:45,600
not just organized religion but the oil

820
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:48,270
industry industries of all kinds would

821
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:50,850
be impacted because overnight they are

822
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:52,950
rendered obsolete

823
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,770
as my friend Richard Dolan says the one

824
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,240
thing you can say about these craft

825
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:59,039
flying around is they're not flying

826
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,320
around on gasoline yeah so that does

827
00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:03,600
revolutionize things once you realize

828
00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:05,400
they're from someplace that isn't here

829
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:07,409
they've got a power source that isn't

830
00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:09,270
ours well the other issue of course is

831
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:10,950
how far the government is gone in

832
00:33:14,779 --> 00:33:13,080
learning anything we obviously the

833
00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:14,789
consideration is national security

834
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:17,520
a number one numero uno now the other

835
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:19,710
thing you wonder about is how would they

836
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,510
keep it a secret if it is a secret with

837
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:23,700
a funnel into private industry where

838
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:26,850
then it's not easy to track we think so

839
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:28,950
we think so because one of the things

840
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:30,990
that the Freedom of Information Act has

841
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:32,580
taught us is that some of those early

842
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:35,159
documents from the 40s and the 50s even

843
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:37,110
into the 60s are pretty damning

844
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,760
documents they prove that at the same

845
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,500
time the government

846
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,960
and military officials are denying that

847
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:44,820
UFOs can have any credibility at all

848
00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:46,650
they're taking them very credible with

849
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:48,900
the twining this whiny that's right as a

850
00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:52,170
smoking gun who says the twining the the

851
00:33:56,150 --> 00:33:53,790
general in charge of the Air Force

852
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,160
Materiel Command said the the phenomenon

853
00:34:00,860 --> 00:33:58,320
is something real and not fictitious so

854
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:00,870
clearly there's that now the other issue

855
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:03,210
of course is the factories yes we have

856
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:04,830
MK 12

857
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:07,410
many of which are deemed fake some of

858
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:09,030
which may be true but these have

859
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:11,129
controversy Stanton Friedman will say

860
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,639
it's true

861
00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:14,460
Kevin Randall will say it's not for rest

862
00:34:20,419 --> 00:34:17,790
your take on that well as a dramatist I

863
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:20,429
take it that it's true in other words I

864
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:22,919
made majestic 12 a key part of the dark

865
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:24,870
skies mythology because we understand

866
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,909
that I felt that was good and I'm using

867
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:28,740
it in magic men what do I personally

868
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:31,050
think I think Stanton Friedman is one of

869
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,570
the most dogged researchers of documents

870
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:36,240
I've ever met and I give a lot of credit

871
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:39,690
to Stanton for finding elements that did

872
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:42,290
that disprove some of the skeptical art

873
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:45,780
counter-arguments if I had to guess I

874
00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:48,990
would say that the Eisenhower briefing

875
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:50,669
memo that people may or may not know

876
00:34:56,780 --> 00:34:53,370
about I put that one is real and I put

877
00:34:59,180 --> 00:34:56,790
some of the later ones as possibly not

878
00:35:01,760 --> 00:34:59,190
real it would follow them that maybe the

879
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:01,770
government possibly invented a few

880
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:04,110
documents to hide the real one might and

881
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:06,810
and also I think it's very true if you

882
00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:08,910
think about it World War two created an

883
00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:10,860
entire cottage industry of people who

884
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:13,860
were good at disinformation I mean that

885
00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:15,480
was that was what they had to do in

886
00:35:20,060 --> 00:35:18,030
order to win the war and a lot of those

887
00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:20,070
people were still in the military are

888
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:21,840
accessible to the military during the

889
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:24,540
time of Roswell and probably came aboard

890
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:28,470
and helped create that situation and we

891
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:30,570
have to assume also here that you accept

892
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:33,630
the reality of Roswell I do I do because

893
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,400
I I have read enough about it where it's

894
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:40,800
I'll tell you one thing I don't accept I

895
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:42,030
don't accept that was a weather balloon

896
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,950
I mean you can come up with you better

897
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,540
come up with some radical counter

898
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:47,280
explanations to the weather balloon

899
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:49,380
regardless the one thing that sort of

900
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:51,720
transitions us here is the two people

901
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:53,180
we've talked about

902
00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:55,910
Stanton Friedman and Donald Schmidt who

903
00:36:00,160 --> 00:35:57,800
both competed to break the Roswell story

904
00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:00,170
are people whose life stories I have

905
00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:02,780
optioned as well as their books on Stan

906
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,670
Friedman's top-secret magic about the

907
00:36:09,099 --> 00:36:07,040
majestic 12 documents and Don Schmitz

908
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:09,109
witnessed the Roswell about the Roswell

909
00:36:12,609 --> 00:36:10,070
investigation

910
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:12,619
I think these these two guys have done a

911
00:36:16,930 --> 00:36:14,570
very good job of proving their case

912
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:16,940
Don Schmidt in particular has

913
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interviewed so many people at such depth

914
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that it isn't that the there's one

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single person although there are some

916
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like that but it's more than mosaic that

917
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these three hundred witnesses create of

918
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,040
a Roswell based panic to get something

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freedmen you are listening to the

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barricade the gold standard a paranormal

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the International UFO Congress just

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outside Scottsdale Arizona with Dean and

1031
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Chris we are all in one room a press

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room yeah this is fun

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I like this G can I try one thing yeah

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the para cast that work all right

1035
00:41:34,510 --> 00:41:32,210
as a matter of fact we're going to

1036
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record that and we're going to make it a

1037
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:47,450
ringtone yeah talk about this yes now

1038
00:41:50,830 --> 00:41:48,770
we're talking obviously about you

1039
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:50,840
putting things together you're trying to

1040
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:54,200
create sure science fiction good quality

1041
00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:55,850
science fiction you're entertaining

1042
00:42:01,480 --> 00:41:58,760
people but you're using a factual basis

1043
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:01,490
right which is very important and when

1044
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people call me on the phone they change

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my ringtone well they change my ringtone

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00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:07,730
that is not my ringtone they we're gonna

1047
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:10,520
change your ring that's right this is it

1048
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:12,530
this is a conspiracy as long as they

1049
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don't ring your bell gene yes that's

1050
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:16,160
right the conspiracy okay

1051
00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:18,770
there you go there you go I really don't

1052
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:20,060
think that's your ringtone though no

1053
00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:22,010
it's not my ringtone but I like it I

1054
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:23,390
like it don't get me wrong it's only

1055
00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:25,970
rockin well yeah all right that's let's

1056
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:28,700
talk about this now yes okay so their

1057
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basic assumptions in your mind that

1058
00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:33,080
you're taking real events of what you

1059
00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:34,550
procedures your real offense you're now

1060
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:38,060
going to try to develop a science

1061
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:39,740
fiction movie quality science fiction

1062
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:42,020
movie and this isn't easy because as a

1063
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tendency in Hollywood as you know more

1064
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,690
than I do a lot more to just over

1065
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produce the special effects overwhelm

1066
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:53,810
the senses we gotta have the 3d you know

1067
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:55,610
you know years ago was just getting the

1068
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eight

1069
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channels you know in the movie theater

1070
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:00,870
whatever it was the thx sound and now

1071
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:03,420
it's gotta be the 3d which can be good

1072
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:06,420
bad or ugly depending on your film so in

1073
00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:08,010
thinking about this not just the plot

1074
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we'll get into the concept of the story

1075
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:14,250
but also in the production values how do

1076
00:43:17,570 --> 00:43:15,660
you get away with a science fiction

1077
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:17,580
movie not being a $200,000,000

1078
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,710
extravaganza anymore well in the case of

1079
00:43:24,830 --> 00:43:21,900
Magic Man you don't call it a science

1080
00:43:27,350 --> 00:43:24,840
fiction movie you call it you call it a

1081
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:27,360
dramatic movie based on real events so

1082
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,190
just how I look at it I think there's

1083
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:31,440
enough people doing alien science

1084
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:33,390
fiction movies right there's been

1085
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:35,730
thousands done it seems like since the

1086
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:36,300
50s

1087
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:37,860
that I don't have to I think there is

1088
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:39,690
room for the counter-programming

1089
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:41,940
where someone takes something based on

1090
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:43,890
the true youthful aaja chol events that

1091
00:43:48,350 --> 00:43:46,050
have occurred and and gives them a

1092
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:48,360
vibrant life that will of course use

1093
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,490
special effects to bring to life some of

1094
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:52,560
these accounts but isn't that's not what

1095
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:54,570
it's about if you look at magic men are

1096
00:44:00,980 --> 00:43:58,110
Maj I see by the way magic men it is not

1097
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,990
a science fiction movie as much as it's

1098
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,420
a telling and a visualization of the

1099
00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:05,460
race to break the Roswell story and that

1100
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:08,070
to me is a combination of all the

1101
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:10,020
president's men and JFK and nobody would

1102
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:11,640
accuse them of being science behind a

1103
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:13,890
throne in I think what we're looking to

1104
00:44:19,850 --> 00:44:17,700
try to do is create the crossover event

1105
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:19,860
movie that has not occurred in ethology

1106
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:22,710
and that needs to occur okay you've

1107
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,090
heard of course about the dream team

1108
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:26,400
that Kevin Randle I heard that Don and

1109
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:28,980
Kevin are talking again which is a kind

1110
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:31,470
of a crazy concept given what I know

1111
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:34,050
about how they broke up but sure okay

1112
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:35,730
well I understand we had a couple of

1113
00:44:40,610 --> 00:44:38,550
episodes of the power cast where we had

1114
00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:40,620
Kevin Randall on we also had Jim Mosely

1115
00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:43,590
mm-hmm the famous saucer smear guy whose

1116
00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:47,720
believes to this day it's a balloon yeah

1117
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:50,550
yeah well you know hopefully that end

1118
00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:51,780
won't be coming soon you know he's

1119
00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:53,550
getting on there in years but hopefully

1120
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:54,840
it won't be for a while it wasn't a

1121
00:45:01,460 --> 00:44:57,560
balloon yeah it wasn't a balloon okay so

1122
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:01,470
this kind of film getting the

1123
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:04,410
muckety-mucks in Hollywood to accept

1124
00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:07,980
anything to greenlight anything

1125
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:11,070
has to be an amazing miracle and then

1126
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:12,990
getting them not to tamper with the

1127
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:15,150
story well that those are two separate

1128
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:17,340
challenges but but I don't think it's

1129
00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:19,080
hard to get someone to greenlight

1130
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:21,600
something that's of quality if you have

1131
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,270
a compelling story of quality so I think

1132
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:26,520
the story of breaking Roswell has global

1133
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:28,710
significance and therefore a studio

1134
00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:31,170
could see it airing in China or anywhere

1135
00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:33,030
around the world so that would make it

1136
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:35,790
more likely for them to want it so I

1137
00:45:39,859 --> 00:45:37,950
don't I think that they can see a reason

1138
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,869
to greenlight a story of this kind and

1139
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:41,940
the other part I forgot what the other

1140
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:44,010
part was the other part of course is

1141
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:48,000
keeping 200 keeping from tampering well

1142
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:48,930
look here's the thing

1143
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,150
I've been rewritten I've rewritten

1144
00:45:55,940 --> 00:45:53,760
people I've had really bad experiences

1145
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:55,950
I've had really good experiences I'm

1146
00:46:02,180 --> 00:45:58,680
just trusting my instincts and my gut to

1147
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,190
find the right team to try to bring this

1148
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:05,160
story to fruition I'm a collaborator at

1149
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:07,080
hard on this I feel like if the right

1150
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:09,210
director for example or the right studio

1151
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:10,980
or the right production company came in

1152
00:46:16,099 --> 00:46:13,710
to partner to bring this vision to the

1153
00:46:18,140 --> 00:46:16,109
screen I'd want to hear what their notes

1154
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:18,150
were yeah good ideas are good idea I

1155
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:21,090
would anything that the it is true

1156
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:23,580
though once you sell it or option it to

1157
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:25,950
somebody then they get to do it their

1158
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:28,260
way so you better like and trust the

1159
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,910
people who you've gotten in business

1160
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:32,400
with and I hope to do that well maybe

1161
00:46:37,070 --> 00:46:34,770
also getting a proper director to he'll

1162
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,080
Rio right but I mean again that's

1163
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:39,300
possible I think though the first place

1164
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:42,080
I go is I've got to lay out a compelling

1165
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:45,960
dramatic story that only tangentially is

1166
00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:48,270
about UFOs that it's about the

1167
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:50,550
characters of Don Schmidt and Stanton

1168
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:52,950
Friedman and also in our film also about

1169
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:54,930
congressman Steven Schiff it's about

1170
00:46:59,540 --> 00:46:57,090
these people trying to investigate

1171
00:47:01,580 --> 00:46:59,550
Roswell facing the same kind of

1172
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:01,590
obstacles that say Woodward and

1173
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,020
Bernstein face and their BOTS Ben

1174
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,300
Bradley and and try to tell it from a

1175
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:08,160
very human point of view and try to tell

1176
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:10,860
it from a mystery that's being you know

1177
00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:13,650
broken apart um Steven Greer has

1178
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:16,080
mentioned publicly even and privately

1179
00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:18,810
that he suspects that the the rapid

1180
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:21,600
demise and death of congressman Schiff

1181
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:23,960
may have been there may have been some

1182
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:27,090
nefarious elements involved in that how

1183
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:28,350
are you going to come down on that I

1184
00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:31,650
think let's state the fact congressman

1185
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:34,940
Steven Schiff was the first official

1186
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,830
Congress person who was attempting to

1187
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,260
have the Roswell case investigated

1188
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:42,960
because it occurred in his district and

1189
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:45,810
he felt his constituents would want him

1190
00:47:49,850 --> 00:47:47,730
to look into it the memos listeners more

1191
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,860
about Steve Stephen shifter was a

1192
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:52,140
prosecutor okay so he's a guy that

1193
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:54,030
believed it going to crime scenes who

1194
00:47:57,350 --> 00:47:55,800
believed in getting facts who believed

1195
00:47:59,600 --> 00:47:57,360
in getting witnesses to put it in

1196
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:59,610
writing and in credible witnesses who

1197
00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:01,140
didn't believe in second and third-hand

1198
00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:03,840
but first him he's an interesting guy he

1199
00:48:08,330 --> 00:48:07,080
ends up investigating are asking the

1200
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,340
General Accounting Office to investigate

1201
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:11,040
asking the US Air Force to investigate

1202
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:12,900
he gets stonewalled he gets angry and

1203
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:15,510
guess what at the age of 51 I believe it

1204
00:48:21,340 --> 00:48:18,990
is in when he that's still by my book

1205
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:21,350
still a young man he gets a raging

1206
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:24,540
fast-acting cancer and dies and what

1207
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:26,970
year is this this happens it he dies in

1208
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:29,430
98 ability or the cherry adamak died in

1209
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:31,050
the same year that Steven Greer

1210
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:33,930
developed melanoma as well so I mean

1211
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:35,610
Greer seems to think that the three of

1212
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:37,260
them caught it all around the same time

1213
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,450
of course can we take RiRi I was around

1214
00:48:43,850 --> 00:48:42,240
I I watched Harry disappear from them

1215
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,860
well I understand that the question is

1216
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:45,780
Greer is hard to take if you're asking

1217
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:47,640
if you're asking though what point of

1218
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:49,470
view will the film have that that was

1219
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,090
like you know I think I think the answer

1220
00:48:56,540 --> 00:48:54,480
is the the film doesn't have to say we

1221
00:48:58,850 --> 00:48:56,550
don't I'm not going to write into the

1222
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,860
film scenes of of congressman Schiff

1223
00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:01,020
being given cancer such as besides that

1224
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:03,600
would exist but you get around abilities

1225
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,540
and I will say this congressman Schiff

1226
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:08,700
Stanton Friedman and Don Schmidt all

1227
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:11,880
talked shift was a person you know the

1228
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:14,430
dramatic license of our film is to is to

1229
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:16,650
see that ship is you know see scenes

1230
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:19,140
where ship is involved and and then to

1231
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:21,690
simply acknowledge the truth the man

1232
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:23,390
died of cancer Gallup

1233
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:26,060
galloping cancer Galilei can't see a lot

1234
00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:28,610
of people cancer lulubelle ago I was

1235
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:30,680
know now I can do it if you're very fast

1236
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:32,270
a sherry and I think will leery

1237
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:33,890
automatic guide of the exact same thing

1238
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:36,230
within weeks if we do say Steven Greer

1239
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:38,870
had had his surgeon buddies have been

1240
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:40,790
cutting it out for years and it was

1241
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:43,700
bilateral - sure very doesn't know this

1242
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:46,250
courier believe that there was something

1243
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:48,320
sinister and S&H oh absolutely

1244
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:51,050
how okay he's a obviously a physician

1245
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:53,210
again like I said in the past we have

1246
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:54,920
not taken him seriously because some

1247
00:49:59,650 --> 00:49:56,810
things are really absolutely I agree

1248
00:50:01,360 --> 00:49:59,660
see said he stuff like he does really

1249
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:01,370
really over the top and you have

1250
00:50:05,170 --> 00:50:03,530
concerns about it and you know I'm not

1251
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:05,180
gonna which is why he's not a character

1252
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:08,290
in this movie okay

1253
00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:10,490
there's something sinister so how do you

1254
00:50:18,490 --> 00:50:16,700
go ahead and give somebody cancer I've

1255
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:18,500
done a little bit of research on yes and

1256
00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:20,540
and there really is no acknowledged way

1257
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:21,860
of doing it but of course you hear

1258
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,530
stories about the abilities of you know

1259
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,480
directed microwaves and other you know

1260
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:28,760
other you know sort of energy weapon

1261
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:31,450
sure type stuff they could in theory

1262
00:50:38,290 --> 00:50:34,250
manifest that that sort of condition but

1263
00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:38,300
I don't think I think it's it's beyond

1264
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:39,950
coincidental that the three of them

1265
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:42,020
should get the same type of cancer you

1266
00:50:45,820 --> 00:50:44,300
know virtually at the same time you

1267
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:45,830
don't assume that with cancer that you

1268
00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:47,750
just breathe the wrong thing somehow get

1269
00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:49,460
cancer but on the other hand that is a

1270
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:52,040
level of implication I don't think the

1271
00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:55,550
film and what what I want to do with the

1272
00:50:59,980 --> 00:50:57,230
films I'm going to introduce Don and

1273
00:51:02,530 --> 00:50:59,990
Stan as living breathing vibrant

1274
00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:02,540
characters who are flawed characters if

1275
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:03,740
you know the two of them you know

1276
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:05,810
they're very different people and you

1277
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:07,310
know how hard they fought against each

1278
00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:09,530
other and we want to capture that and we

1279
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:12,200
we want to capture if you think about it

1280
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:14,570
the nation had Watergate to investigate

1281
00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:16,070
we got Woodward and Bernstein in the

1282
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:18,560
Washington Post now let's take the the

1283
00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:20,630
potential of the UFO cover-up which is a

1284
00:51:24,850 --> 00:51:22,700
really big issue what do we get we get a

1285
00:51:27,850 --> 00:51:24,860
retired nuclear physicist and a postal

1286
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:27,860
worker rights April joining us you with

1287
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:31,180
Jean and Chris you're in the para cast

1288
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:41,310
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00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,460
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1310
00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:31,780
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1311
00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:33,400
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1312
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,540
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1313
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:35,920
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1314
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:37,330
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1315
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1319
00:53:03,130 --> 00:52:58,820
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1320
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:03,140
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1321
00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:09,720
here's Jean Steinberg rides a bull

1322
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:11,790
jockey machine and Chris on the para

1323
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:15,510
cast and he is going to audition as the

1324
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:19,260
man who says the para cast okay so we're

1325
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:21,870
going to record again we might actually

1326
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:23,910
have to hire him unfortunately then I

1327
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:25,950
have to contact the union yeah probably

1328
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:27,390
has to talk to his agent at the end of

1329
00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:28,500
the day I just don't know if you can

1330
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:30,870
afford me because listen I can't afford

1331
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:34,350
me so well you definitely can afford me

1332
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:36,690
I guess it seems so you're hired

1333
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:40,740
yeah who can we afford to get well

1334
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:42,390
that's okay so that's interesting here

1335
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:44,220
okay now you're putting a film like this

1336
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:47,010
together and a lot of times it rides on

1337
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:49,260
a vehicle as a vehicle for a director

1338
00:54:02,000 --> 00:53:52,980
right for a producer for a star sure so

1339
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:02,010
this is just your wishes granted you

1340
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:04,350
know at night when you are putting words

1341
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:08,010
to paper and you imagine visualize these

1342
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:10,680
characters Stanton Friedman Don Schmidt

1343
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:12,930
right well I'll tell you something I do

1344
00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:15,900
that even though let's put this caveat

1345
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:18,030
out there a guy in my place doesn't cast

1346
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:19,890
this film by the time the studio gets

1347
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:21,960
their hands on a director in that area

1348
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:24,390
they'll be casting it but what a writer

1349
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:26,670
super just a screen what a writer well

1350
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,200
I'm gonna be a producer on the film as

1351
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:30,420
well but okay write the checks so

1352
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:32,550
therefore they'll get their way but but

1353
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:35,250
you do in your minds I have people in

1354
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,570
mind as you write something so I'll

1355
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:38,700
throw a couple of names out not that not

1356
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:40,530
that there aren't 50 other great actors

1357
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:41,970
that could do it but for Stanton

1358
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:44,430
Friedman given that it's taking place in

1359
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,830
the late 80s through the mid 90s I look

1360
00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:49,200
at Philip Seymour Hoffman as a potential

1361
00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:52,590
guy oh yeah and for Don Schmidt I look

1362
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:55,320
at Josh Brolin as an example and for

1363
00:54:58,769 --> 00:54:57,270
congressman Schiff I look at Billy Bob

1364
00:55:02,609 --> 00:54:58,779
thorn those are the people

1365
00:55:03,929 --> 00:55:02,619
was thinking in my head as I as I so do

1366
00:55:06,299 --> 00:55:03,939
you see what I'm looking for I want this

1367
00:55:08,849 --> 00:55:06,309
film to be a crossover hit where people

1368
00:55:10,529 --> 00:55:08,859
like these actors and can see them as

1369
00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:10,539
characters and what they're when they

1370
00:55:13,949 --> 00:55:12,279
they hear about the film magic men

1371
00:55:16,409 --> 00:55:13,959
they're not saying oh is that a UFO

1372
00:55:19,709 --> 00:55:16,419
movie they're saying wow I like these

1373
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:19,719
guys it looks and the clips the the the

1374
00:55:24,089 --> 00:55:21,849
trailers will will have some humor in it

1375
00:55:26,219 --> 00:55:24,099
because there is character humor in the

1376
00:55:28,289 --> 00:55:26,229
in the battle if you think about it the

1377
00:55:30,809 --> 00:55:28,299
forces of secrecy have trillions of

1378
00:55:33,029 --> 00:55:30,819
dollars at their disposal and these guys

1379
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:33,039
don't have anyone to pick up the tab at

1380
00:55:36,839 --> 00:55:35,650
the Denny's right right so it's really

1381
00:55:38,969 --> 00:55:36,849
the underdog

1382
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:38,979
the way we describe what the film is

1383
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:41,169
about is to say it's the story of two

1384
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:43,150
down-to-earth guys chasing a story that

1385
00:55:50,219 --> 00:55:45,130
is out of this world right and that's

1386
00:55:53,489 --> 00:55:50,229
the hike on someone like Stan Friedman

1387
00:55:55,919 --> 00:55:53,499
who you know basically every project he

1388
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:55,929
worked with as a nuclear physicist they

1389
00:56:07,289 --> 00:56:04,620
let's give Staunton his due first guy

1390
00:56:10,229 --> 00:56:07,299
he's very very bright man and he's the

1391
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:10,239
guy who through sheer dumb luck and

1392
00:56:11,819 --> 00:56:11,529
being in the right place at the right

1393
00:56:14,969 --> 00:56:11,829
time

1394
00:56:18,749 --> 00:56:14,979
finds Jesse Marcel which is great Stan

1395
00:56:21,089 --> 00:56:18,759
was in a hot humid television station in

1396
00:56:23,579 --> 00:56:21,099
Louisiana when he at doing another

1397
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:23,589
interview about his standard stump

1398
00:56:27,179 --> 00:56:25,569
speech when the guy said you really

1399
00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:27,189
ought to talk to this Jesse Marcel guy

1400
00:56:31,409 --> 00:56:29,109
think about that yeah and that's how

1401
00:56:32,489 --> 00:56:31,419
history changes that's huge oh man talk

1402
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:32,499
about being in the right place that's

1403
00:56:36,269 --> 00:56:34,209
absolutely in it wouldn't happen

1404
00:56:37,919 --> 00:56:36,279
probably without you or it would have

1405
00:56:39,899 --> 00:56:37,929
happened as somebody else might have

1406
00:56:42,269 --> 00:56:39,909
gotten right you know would have taken

1407
00:56:45,299 --> 00:56:42,279
forever to have because obviously Jesse

1408
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:45,309
Marcel at that time in his life was had

1409
00:56:48,899 --> 00:56:47,169
had enough and was ready to tell a story

1410
00:56:50,749 --> 00:56:48,909
to somebody right he had just reached

1411
00:56:52,529 --> 00:56:50,759
that place in his life yeah

1412
00:56:55,769 --> 00:56:52,539
parenthetically you ever take any

1413
00:56:59,489 --> 00:56:55,779
serious attention to that other case in

1414
00:57:02,489 --> 00:56:59,499
Aztec New Mexico well I do personally as

1415
00:57:04,649 --> 00:57:02,499
a student of ufology and all that in

1416
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:04,659
terms of magic men as a film height

1417
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:06,850
there's only so much you can cover

1418
00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:09,730
don't don't I don't look to that as part

1419
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:12,940
of this film 50 myths tell a story the

1420
00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:15,250
other additional crash sites the plains

1421
00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:17,500
of San Augustin is it gonna be a single

1422
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:19,240
event or you gonna hit the round here's

1423
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:21,220
what I think we want to do is we want to

1424
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:23,110
to the extent that there's a debate

1425
00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:25,900
about whether it's an escape pod or to

1426
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:27,820
craft a mid-air collision that kind of

1427
00:57:32,310 --> 00:57:29,410
stuff or one you want to forget crap

1428
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:32,320
right you want to put those debates into

1429
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:34,810
the voices of your characters and let

1430
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:37,510
them argue about it but that's not what

1431
00:57:41,130 --> 00:57:39,550
the movies about the audience that will

1432
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:41,140
be watching those two people and saying

1433
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:44,260
my god whereas if you were Steven Schiff

1434
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:46,450
being briefed by Stanton and Dunn and

1435
00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:48,010
they were arguing about a couple of

1436
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:49,990
those issues you would say wait a minute

1437
00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:52,180
you're asking me to believe that a

1438
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:54,220
spaceship flies all across the universe

1439
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:56,170
to come here and then crashes in my

1440
00:58:00,180 --> 00:57:58,090
congressional district because it blows

1441
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:00,190
a gasket and you guys want to argue

1442
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:01,930
about whether there are two of them were

1443
00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:04,090
an escape pod right if it were the

1444
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:06,760
congressman you'd say I'm not really

1445
00:58:11,370 --> 00:58:08,980
ready to get into that level of minutia

1446
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:11,380
let's just get into the core stories

1447
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:13,450
that's right spaceship but then of

1448
00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:14,920
course comes to the other part of it

1449
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:17,470
which we have to ask here about Roswell

1450
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:20,590
sure they capture the wreckage they take

1451
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:22,510
it somewhere yes are you gonna focus on

1452
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:24,190
that or try to show that or is it all

1453
00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:26,770
gonna be inferences from the characters

1454
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:28,870
we know we're using look these guys

1455
00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:31,300
interviewed hundreds of witnesses well

1456
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:32,560
I'm willing to take a lot of dramatic

1457
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:35,350
license with Stan and Donna's characters

1458
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,810
to create a movie in a structure that

1459
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:40,000
and time compression and all these

1460
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:41,410
things you have to do for dramatic

1461
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:44,170
license what I'm trying not to do is to

1462
00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:46,300
put new words in the mind in the mouths

1463
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:48,820
of the witnesses so in fact we'll be

1464
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:50,020
dealing with some of the issue that you

1465
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,340
talked about there but through the

1466
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:53,760
voices of the actual witnesses with

1467
00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:57,610
nearly verbatim testimony from them but

1468
00:59:01,680 --> 00:58:59,050
you're not going to show the offense or

1469
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:01,690
even try test no we are you are yeah but

1470
00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:04,240
for example the difference is if you

1471
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:05,980
have someone telling you a story and you

1472
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:07,090
illustrate that event

1473
00:59:10,110 --> 00:59:08,650
you're not saying the event happened

1474
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:10,120
just that way you're saying you're

1475
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:12,010
illustrating what that person has said

1476
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:13,480
the if she's describing something and

1477
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:13,710
they

1478
00:59:18,020 --> 00:59:16,080
you show it's a man in some cases and

1479
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,030
another's not there's a lot of different

1480
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:19,920
tricks and like I said on the way to

1481
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:22,410
production let's face it you could shoot

1482
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:24,150
it all in and you could cut it cuz

1483
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:25,950
you're long or you could write it all

1484
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:27,780
and the director comes in and says I

1485
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,310
want to do it in chronology or

1486
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:32,160
you one never knows all I can say is my

1487
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:34,200
production partner done most and myself

1488
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,839
intend to stay as involved as we

1489
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:38,760
possibly can to try to make it the best

1490
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,650
quality picture that we can and

1491
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:42,480
sometimes you get really really lucky

1492
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:43,740
and sometimes you don't but we're gonna

1493
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:46,050
try to find our good luck it's a great

1494
00:59:50,839 --> 00:59:48,330
project and it has tremendous potential

1495
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,849
because so many people are fascinated by

1496
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:53,280
the Roswell scenario and nobody has

1497
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:55,230
besides Paul David's film which and I

1498
00:59:59,720 --> 00:59:57,660
think was was well done yes nobody has

1499
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:59,730
actually looked at what has happened for

1500
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:02,280
the story to break in 79 80 yeah when

1501
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:03,900
all this stuff really finally became

1502
01:00:08,660 --> 01:00:06,330
exposed in a big way in the public and I

1503
01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:08,670
no one has ever looked at that and the

1504
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,440
thing is also about Roswell which is

1505
01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:12,240
very important we keep saying this is

1506
01:00:16,550 --> 01:00:14,550
going to be the last Roswell show and

1507
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:16,560
then we bring on guests you may have had

1508
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:20,220
some peripheral involvement in Roswell

1509
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:22,050
and we say you know what let's go to

1510
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:24,030
other stuff and guess what all they want

1511
01:00:28,010 --> 01:00:25,859
to know about all the listeners asked

1512
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,020
about its Rosco it will never go away

1513
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:30,660
it's the kind of legend that you can't

1514
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:32,609
knock down which is why we might be able

1515
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:34,440
to get the movie made because everybody

1516
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:36,570
in Hollywood wants an international

1517
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:38,700
project right that's the gold standard

1518
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,910
of Hollywood right now Roger will make

1519
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,859
more money internationally than national

1520
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:45,420
I bet a fuses look at the biggest films

1521
01:00:49,070 --> 01:00:47,130
right now they're out right now even the

1522
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:49,080
last Mission Impossible film the

1523
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:51,000
Sherlock Holmes movie with Robert Downey

1524
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,339
jr. if you look at the office receipts

1525
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:55,680
the overseas receipts here of what about

1526
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,410
60 70 % I'm willing to bet that if you

1527
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:00,000
went to China and stood on a street

1528
01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:02,010
corner in Beijing and said Roswell

1529
01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:03,300
people would understand what you were

1530
01:01:07,579 --> 01:01:05,580
talking about so I think that that's one

1531
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:07,589
answer but but I think paul davids did a

1532
01:01:11,420 --> 01:01:09,720
great job as well but a it was on

1533
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:11,430
Showtime and a lot of people didn't see

1534
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:14,099
a and B it was on Showtime in other

1535
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:16,170
words it wasn't a feature film alright

1536
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,740
and then see it was completely a story

1537
01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:21,660
of Roswell so therefore a lot of people

1538
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,160
could you know those of us who are

1539
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:24,480
interested in this kind of stuff

1540
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:26,450
definitely want to see it but

1541
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:28,220
do your next-door neighbors want to see

1542
01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:30,410
it maybe not but if I can create a

1543
01:01:34,329 --> 01:01:32,660
crossover film where it seems to be

1544
01:01:36,819 --> 01:01:34,339
about the characters and the

1545
01:01:38,859 --> 01:01:36,829
investigation and that's my way into it

1546
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,869
and it's not just the telling of the

1547
01:01:42,250 --> 01:01:40,160
story it's the telling of the

1548
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:42,260
investigation story then I might have

1549
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:44,060
that crossover moment where people say

1550
01:01:47,290 --> 01:01:46,550
you know I saw that movie I laughed I

1551
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:47,300
cried

1552
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:50,089
I was I was upset and at the end of it

1553
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:53,030
I've got a lot of questions female lead

1554
01:02:01,120 --> 01:01:58,250
who's the female yeah yeah but the truth

1555
01:02:04,089 --> 01:02:01,130
is I think you could argue that there

1556
01:02:06,099 --> 01:02:04,099
are a lot of films that just have to to

1557
01:02:09,849 --> 01:02:06,109
two men and the leads and I think that

1558
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:09,859
you know look at everything from I don't

1559
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:12,170
know trading places do you know every

1560
01:02:17,050 --> 01:02:15,050
trading places of course had Jamie Lee

1561
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:17,060
Curtis what would a bad I know example I

1562
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:21,230
just came up with a really hot research

1563
01:02:25,569 --> 01:02:24,170
associate listen there's women there and

1564
01:02:28,030 --> 01:02:25,579
I just don't want to tell the whole

1565
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:28,040
story right now but but there's nothing

1566
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:30,710
wrong if you look at a lot of buddy cop

1567
01:02:35,740 --> 01:02:33,310
movies those are usually two two guys

1568
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:35,750
Bryce table joining us here with Gene

1569
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:39,940
you with Chris you're in the para cast

1570
01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:47,210
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of course that the pay scale is very low

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I'm just asking people to write these

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guys you know their address you know

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01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:37,690
where to find them tell them how much

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01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:41,230
you enjoyed that I'm not trying to take

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anything away from you know will light

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up without one this was a tough economy

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it's a dog-eat-dog world people gotta go

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01:07:52,410 --> 01:07:49,420
for what they need yeah yeah makes it

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01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:52,420
ever harder but if for example showtime

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01:07:56,910 --> 01:07:54,730
came to your box office and they said

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01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:56,920
okay you know what it's not selling

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:07:59,290
we'll give you you know five million

1688
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:00,730
whatever I don't know what their budgets

1689
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:02,770
are for a TV movie would you still

1690
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:06,130
consider it oh listen my goal is to make

1691
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:08,530
this film okay all right and I will take

1692
01:08:13,530 --> 01:08:10,930
any good way to make it and as we all

1693
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:13,540
know there are ways to make the same

1694
01:08:17,579 --> 01:08:15,730
script for 80 million dollars or eight

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01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,589
million dollars it depends on how you

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01:08:21,690 --> 01:08:19,839
want to approach it etc there are some

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01:08:23,370 --> 01:08:21,700
compromises that are made but sometimes

1698
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:23,380
a lesser budget gives you different

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01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:25,540
freedoms sometimes you're able to get

1700
01:08:29,130 --> 01:08:27,550
the actors to work at scale and

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01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,140
sheriffing to get something on the back

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01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:30,880
end that's all cart before the horse for

1703
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:33,640
me right now right now my obsession and

1704
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:36,310
passion is to tell a compelling story on

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01:08:40,829 --> 01:08:38,500
script that people say I'd like to make

1706
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:40,839
that movie and we should be so lucky as

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01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:42,850
to find you know two or three different

1708
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:45,400
sources that want to help us make it and

1709
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:47,410
we can debate how to make it but I'll

1710
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:49,150
tell you one thing it's easier to make

1711
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:52,060
this kind of we do have scenes that are

1712
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:53,890
period scenes we also have special

1713
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:55,540
effects scenes but special effects are

1714
01:09:00,090 --> 01:08:58,210
cheaper than they were even the creature

1715
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:00,100
effects are somewhat cheaper than they

1716
01:09:02,050 --> 01:09:00,410
use

1717
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:02,060
to be if you do them right there's just

1718
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:03,980
a lot of experience at this right now

1719
01:09:06,910 --> 01:09:05,630
and I know a lot of people that look I

1720
01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:06,920
worked with a lot of people it's very

1721
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,680
funny when I did official denial they

1722
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:12,080
took a twelve-year-old ballerina and put

1723
01:09:16,570 --> 01:09:14,570
her in a plastic suit and made her my

1724
01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:16,580
gray and that didn't work out too well

1725
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:18,920
it's a great script but not not the best

1726
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:21,110
looking thing for dark skies we use CG I

1727
01:09:28,030 --> 01:09:24,110
am sure more puppetry in it now nowadays

1728
01:09:29,980 --> 01:09:28,040
now where Z is pretty cheap yeah wonder

1729
01:09:32,830 --> 01:09:29,990
with all this stuff you can produce the

1730
01:09:34,900 --> 01:09:32,840
best special effects not expensively

1731
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:34,910
right so why are they spending two

1732
01:09:41,650 --> 01:09:36,950
hundred fifty million dollars to send

1733
01:09:44,290 --> 01:09:41,660
John Carter to Mars locator because

1734
01:09:46,420 --> 01:09:44,300
because the truth about expenses you

1735
01:09:49,210 --> 01:09:46,430
want to shoot as much of it as you can

1736
01:09:51,190 --> 01:09:49,220
and put as few things in it that are CGI

1737
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:51,200
as possible and with John Carter I'm

1738
01:09:57,070 --> 01:09:54,320
assuming the percentages of CGI versus

1739
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:57,080
reality is very high same with avatar

1740
01:10:00,640 --> 01:09:58,730
kind of thing where the entire world

1741
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:00,650
you're creating is you know you've got

1742
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:03,170
teams of hundreds of people working on

1743
01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:05,720
every frame we won't be doing that in

1744
01:10:11,050 --> 01:10:09,140
denny's I want to go make a movie I like

1745
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:11,060
it actors and you know put them in a

1746
01:10:15,610 --> 01:10:13,310
hotel room arguing with each other about

1747
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:15,620
something and and let the Mac the hell

1748
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:16,910
out of it give them a great script

1749
01:10:21,220 --> 01:10:19,130
that's what I'm trying to do exactly so

1750
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:21,230
at this point you're finished with the

1751
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:23,450
script I'm finished with the first draft

1752
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,340
in both most tonight I'm going through

1753
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:28,400
straightening out a few miss assumptions

1754
01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:30,170
I made up the first draft and fixing it

1755
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:32,660
probably be out taking it out within a

1756
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:36,560
month or so okay so then you go to the

1757
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:39,110
people who can you know what this is

1758
01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:40,790
where I'm uncomfortable talking about it

1759
01:10:44,350 --> 01:10:42,350
on the radio because the truth is I

1760
01:10:46,090 --> 01:10:44,360
don't know exactly what road that will

1761
01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:46,100
take I will take any road that looks

1762
01:10:49,420 --> 01:10:47,870
good and right now my focus is on

1763
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:49,430
writing it and then in about a month I'm

1764
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,410
going to focus on selling it right but

1765
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,120
there's lots of people who would enjoy

1766
01:10:57,670 --> 01:10:55,040
this kind of material and it is a

1767
01:11:00,040 --> 01:10:57,680
crossover it's a suspense thriller with

1768
01:11:02,830 --> 01:11:00,050
characters that you like and love told

1769
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:02,840
about the greatest mystery of our modern

1770
01:11:07,630 --> 01:11:04,970
age what more could you ask for a movie

1771
01:11:09,490 --> 01:11:07,640
and you know parenthetically we look at

1772
01:11:10,780 --> 01:11:09,500
getting money for things and getting

1773
01:11:11,229 --> 01:11:10,790
money to do something in Hollywood and

1774
01:11:12,729 --> 01:11:11,239
we know that

1775
01:11:15,009 --> 01:11:12,739
you know if they like what you do

1776
01:11:16,689 --> 01:11:15,019
they'll just open the bank account and

1777
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:16,699
just give you all sorts of money if

1778
01:11:20,589 --> 01:11:18,650
they're moderately skeptical maybe

1779
01:11:22,689 --> 01:11:20,599
they'll give you less money but you have

1780
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,699
different ambience why this here I have

1781
01:11:26,020 --> 01:11:24,320
to ask you though you know one of the

1782
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:26,030
things that we raised in the power cast

1783
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:28,670
is all right you've got 40 million

1784
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,050
dollars you got a network to give you 40

1785
01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:32,480
million dollars for dark skies why can't

1786
01:11:36,819 --> 01:11:34,670
we give somebody out there give 40

1787
01:11:39,069 --> 01:11:36,829
million dollars to do UFO research and

1788
01:11:42,879 --> 01:11:39,079
learn what's going on I don't think in

1789
01:11:44,770 --> 01:11:42,889
60 years of UFO research we've seen much

1790
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:44,780
more than a million or tonight where

1791
01:11:50,140 --> 01:11:47,690
it's it's outrageous and I wish some of

1792
01:11:52,419 --> 01:11:50,150
the wealthy you know when I see Newt

1793
01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:52,429
Gingrich with his super PAC friend

1794
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,260
writing these large text to Michael

1795
01:11:58,509 --> 01:11:56,960
wouldn't it be phosphine if somebody and

1796
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:58,519
by the way I'm not that's not a slam on

1797
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:00,230
it I don't care what people think I'm

1798
01:12:04,660 --> 01:12:02,690
not here it's a political process saying

1799
01:12:06,669 --> 01:12:04,670
wouldn't it be great though if somebody

1800
01:12:08,049 --> 01:12:06,679
could write that kind of check and put

1801
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:08,059
it into a trust fund that was

1802
01:12:12,910 --> 01:12:10,760
administered by people that were sane

1803
01:12:14,979 --> 01:12:12,920
and sober to really try to move this

1804
01:12:16,839 --> 01:12:14,989
office Amy's over that's true well then

1805
01:12:19,330 --> 01:12:16,849
I'll give you the money if I ever raised

1806
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:19,340
that money for research I'll call you

1807
01:12:23,109 --> 01:12:20,719
gentlemen but that's a serious question

1808
01:12:25,989 --> 01:12:23,119
here yes it was raised which is

1809
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:25,999
obviously Chris knows this firsthand

1810
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:28,550
Laurance Rockefeller finance yes of his

1811
01:12:34,299 --> 01:12:32,150
work but he got into UFOs really late

1812
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:34,309
life he must have been what in the 70s

1813
01:12:39,489 --> 01:12:36,489
before he even got really interested and

1814
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:39,499
publicly yeah but he was interested way

1815
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:42,230
before the OK was but he didn't put that

1816
01:12:46,419 --> 01:12:44,329
money out there till he you know Bob

1817
01:12:48,729 --> 01:12:46,429
Bigelow has done some stuff and but

1818
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:48,739
again wouldn't it be nice if Steven

1819
01:12:55,419 --> 01:12:53,449
Spielberg did it or really Scott he's

1820
01:12:56,979 --> 01:12:55,429
given away money I'm not saying that

1821
01:12:59,500 --> 01:12:56,989
would take a lot and neither are you

1822
01:13:02,410 --> 01:12:59,510
we're just simply saying it's a valid

1823
01:13:04,779 --> 01:13:02,420
since the the institutions that that we

1824
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:04,789
fund publicly don't seem to be doing a

1825
01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:05,780
very good job with it

1826
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:07,940
it may be up this this is the world we

1827
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:09,710
live in now where there isn't a blank

1828
01:13:13,959 --> 01:13:11,150
check from the government for anything

1829
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:13,969
let alone UFO research particularly UFO

1830
01:13:18,850 --> 01:13:16,489
research and that the people have to do

1831
01:13:20,919 --> 01:13:18,860
it themselves so I would I think someone

1832
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,929
who actually believes this needs to be

1833
01:13:24,189 --> 01:13:22,159
investigated in a more

1834
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:24,199
public fashion could make it happen in a

1835
01:13:27,610 --> 01:13:26,780
heartbeat right ohö Alan or Bill Gates

1836
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:27,620
yeah

1837
01:13:33,070 --> 01:13:30,530
or if you look at the estate of Steve

1838
01:13:35,770 --> 01:13:33,080
Jobs absolutely his widow is

1839
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:35,780
administering that's right a fund where

1840
01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:37,010
they're going to give a lot of money to

1841
01:13:42,129 --> 01:13:39,320
education very big to education and this

1842
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,139
is an education aspect too yes

1843
01:13:46,930 --> 01:13:44,000
absolutely well you know what we have we

1844
01:13:48,970 --> 01:13:46,940
have an obligation to raise the game we

1845
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:48,980
have an obligation to do that and and

1846
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:50,570
that's partly why I'm here and you're

1847
01:13:56,890 --> 01:13:54,290
here we're looking for people look there

1848
01:13:58,810 --> 01:13:56,900
is a spectrum of belief in ufology that

1849
01:14:02,800 --> 01:13:58,820
we are aware of and a lot of it can be

1850
01:14:05,470 --> 01:14:02,810
dismissed the and yet the way I always

1851
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,480
put it is to signal noise situation

1852
01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:07,730
that's also you have to look at this

1853
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:09,260
information here that's what I'm saying

1854
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,520
right it's just because there's tons of

1855
01:14:14,669 --> 01:14:11,840
noise doesn't mean there's just not a

1856
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:14,679
signal but is there an active

1857
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:17,840
participation by the government to hide

1858
01:14:20,830 --> 01:14:19,130
this stuff I mean I don't think about

1859
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:20,840
what's happening here now

1860
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:24,080
you had your TV show dark skies and

1861
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:25,489
we're not there not because of any

1862
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:28,850
conspiracy was really so standard way TV

1863
01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:30,110
shows get off the air not because

1864
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:31,790
someone calls up the president of NBC

1865
01:14:36,340 --> 01:14:34,610
and says Phil that show you never heard

1866
01:14:38,260 --> 01:14:36,350
anything in the course of producing that

1867
01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:38,270
show from anybody saying hey you're

1868
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:40,790
getting too close or suggesting anything

1869
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:45,020
well actually okay let me back up a I

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personally don't think you need to have

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government intervention to convince

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people to make alien movies to prepare

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us for disclosure people make alien

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movies or UFO themed movies because the

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good box office that's why and that's

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why they largely have conflict and are

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about invasions okay having said that

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and no one at dark Scott I never saw any

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the overt influence pro or con oh right

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but while we were working on it we were

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approached on the night of III had a

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party for the launch of the series at my

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house with 200 people and you don't

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watch this is gonna be the cliffhanger

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okay the cliffhanger of the age is gonna

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hang out for a little bit longer there's

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someone

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drags him away on his iPhone we have

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rice Abel joining gene joining Chris

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you're in the para cast the GC and radio

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this is Jacques Vallee you're listening

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio with Jean with Chris

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you're in the para cast Bryce Abel

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01:20:16,460 --> 01:20:14,220
joining us film producer TV producer

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scriptwriter talking about his

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forthcoming project we hope there's

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success and you were telling us

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01:20:26,420 --> 01:20:24,090
something about a party yes during the

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days of the dark skies let's just the

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table and again Wes eyes please set the

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01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:30,150
table yes

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01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:35,010
dark skies is premiering in 1996 on NBC

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so we have a cast and crew party at my

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house where there's like 200 people that

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show up and we give everybody we take

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everyone's picture when they come in and

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give them a magic badge

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Maj I see make them a member of majestic

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12 everybody's having fun there's one

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guy that comes to the party who doesn't

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01:20:58,370 --> 01:20:55,890
have a magic badge on and nobody knows

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01:20:59,870 --> 01:20:58,380
who he is and this I was busy hosting it

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01:21:02,780 --> 01:20:59,880
so I never talked to him but he goes I

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01:21:05,450 --> 01:21:02,790
did talk to him but not not not this he

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01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:05,460
goes up to my dark skies partner Brent

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01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:08,640
Friedman and introduces himself and says

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we think you've done a pretty good job

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with that you're close but you've still

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01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:14,610
got a few problems we can help you and

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01:21:19,730 --> 01:21:17,970
break kinda rent kind of says help us do

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01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:19,740
what will help you help you get it right

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01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:22,920
and first of all no one had seen the

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:24,150
show yet did have him aired

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01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,890
know it had been at the network for a

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01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:27,840
guy to say that he's seen it already and

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01:21:30,980 --> 01:21:29,490
it's pretty close to being right but

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01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:30,990
maybe he could have seen the script I

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01:21:36,710 --> 01:21:33,920
really don't know this person ended up

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01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:36,720
introducing Brandon tied to his I was

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01:21:40,190 --> 01:21:38,820
very skeptical right and the guy did

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01:21:42,530 --> 01:21:40,200
some other weird things but he looked

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01:21:44,540 --> 01:21:42,540
pretty held together and all that and he

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01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,550
seemed very legit and he's implied that

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he was part of Naval Intelligence and he

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actually brought a guy to our office

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once and their situation was that they

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they were saying that they would you

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know help us out if we

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01:21:58,450 --> 01:21:56,270
to help and it could have been an

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01:22:00,400 --> 01:21:58,460
elaborate ruse and in fact that's how I

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01:22:02,170 --> 01:22:00,410
treated it because I was busy trying to

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:02,180
make 20 hours of television and I

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thought I don't have time to launch an

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01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:06,650
investigation into whether this guy is a

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legit naval intelligence officer or not

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so I tried to just I just had to let it

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01:22:17,020 --> 01:22:15,020
go I let it go but I will tell you the

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01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:17,030
guy showed up and he did one thing that

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I thought was fascinating and I'll just

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put this out for your viewers

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he asked Brent for a napkin and he wrote

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a assemble a group of symbols on the

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napkin handed it to Brent Brent said

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what's this and he said it's the secret

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of the universe and Brent said well

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that's you know that's all well and good

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01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:36,380
what does it mean and he said sound

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light and frequency the secret of the

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universe I don't know what it means the

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cryptic rather you don't know whether

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somebody was telling you something or

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just pulling your like I you know what

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and it could have been pulling her leg

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however he did find the party at my

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house and you know and that was a top

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secret party not that it was yeah it was

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need-to-know party with you listen so

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things like that happen when you're

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involved in ufology as you guys know

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that was the most specific thing that

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happened at the series in it for those

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people who want to hear the long version

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from the horse's mouth

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on the dark skies DVD set Brent Freedman

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in a section called I believe it's

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called the secret it's one of those

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01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:16,610
little Easter eggs on the DVD tells the

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entire story in detail and so for those

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01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,230
of you who want to know more I may have

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01:23:24,490 --> 01:23:23,120
gotten a few of the facts wrong but he

2085
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:24,500
tells a great story Brent's a great

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storyteller sothank RIS and I get the

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autograph version his DVD yes you do if

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01:23:33,310 --> 01:23:30,830
the blu-ray or just regular it's just a

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01:23:35,980 --> 01:23:33,320
DVD set but it's and you can by the way

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01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,990
people can get it on Amazon at a very

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01:23:40,150 --> 01:23:37,760
reduced price and it's really good we

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01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:40,160
all worked so hard with these people to

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01:23:44,980 --> 01:23:42,260
make it as good as it possibly could be

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because I felt like it was it was a gift

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01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:46,730
to the fans if we did that and they did

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01:23:50,129 --> 01:23:48,590
a terrific job with it and yes you will

2097
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have your own autograph god

2098
01:23:56,830 --> 01:23:54,979
Lyle para cast I think we're gonna have

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01:23:59,620 --> 01:23:56,840
to also make some kind of contest to

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give a coffee away yeah I love that all

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right para cast this will be fun

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and you know I guess because we're poor

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merchandisers I mean we have an official

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power cast t-shirt and everything we'll

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get you one with our logo and everything

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we have a para cast or we do sell the

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swag but we never really push it I don't

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know why that's got to change we're in a

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new world yeah yeah we've got to learn

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promotion we've gotta hook up with you

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more you know we gotta take our science

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fiction stories and history and get you

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doing really good to have you and rich

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on the show and long solution Leah do a

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full hard-hitting after disclosure you

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know rich and I rarely actually have

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appeared together we've only done it

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once I don't know exactly why that was

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we did it once on coast to coast and we

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had a really terrific time because a lot

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of talking about post disclosure world

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is a lot of give-and-take it's a lot

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about people throwing and different

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their own ideas because the truth is

2125
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it's something you can only speculate

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about you're not when we wrote the book

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about it we told ourselves we had to be

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bold and daring instead of instead of

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hold back and be safe because it's all

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about creating dialogue and not about

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ending dialogue so we made a few

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predictions that are very specific and

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and I'm always eager to hear what other

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people have said before we get to our

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next group of guests here I'm going to

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01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:17,300
ask you to give us in the next couple of

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01:25:22,989 --> 01:25:19,400
minutes a couple of predictions and/or

2138
01:25:25,689 --> 01:25:22,999
expectations so will we see disclosure

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01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:25,699
in my lifetime in Chris's lifetime in

2140
01:25:28,959 --> 01:25:27,050
your lifetime there the young whipper

2141
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:28,969
snipper I really think you're awfully

2142
01:25:32,799 --> 01:25:30,710
kind to say that but I'm going to snap

2143
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:32,809
the waiter so yes you are okay you know

2144
01:25:36,580 --> 01:25:34,729
what this has been the traditional

2145
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:36,590
problem hasn't it with every five or

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01:25:41,319 --> 01:25:39,530
seven years since since the 40s somebody

2147
01:25:43,149 --> 01:25:41,329
says it's imminent and in fact he goes

2148
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:43,159
back Donald Kehoe said it you know the

2149
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:45,170
silence group was gonna break it silence

2150
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:47,210
people keep predicting it and I'm the

2151
01:25:51,609 --> 01:25:49,249
only one amongst this crew who actually

2152
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:51,619
knew a job here yes sir so I think I

2153
01:25:57,459 --> 01:25:54,639
think it's a fool's errand to try to say

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01:25:59,620 --> 01:25:57,469
specifically because so many people have

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01:26:00,650 --> 01:25:59,630
disagreed over time here's what I would

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01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:00,660
say that

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01:26:06,260 --> 01:26:03,450
friends between those days of constant

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01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:06,270
predictions and this day is our own

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01:26:10,730 --> 01:26:08,880
technology our own ability to force

2160
01:26:13,340 --> 01:26:10,740
disclosure or to disclose for ourselves

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01:26:15,980 --> 01:26:13,350
so I'll just take a long view it won't

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01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:15,990
be 50 years probably won't be 20 years

2163
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:19,170
could be tomorrow probably won't be but

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01:26:25,010 --> 01:26:22,050
it's imminent only because the truth is

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01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:25,020
so large our growth and technology is so

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01:26:29,150 --> 01:26:27,450
exponential and our ability to connect

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01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:29,160
and communicate with each other is gone

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01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:31,350
by leaps and bounds that I would I'd say

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01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:33,470
between 10 and 20 I don't want to throw

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01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:35,970
someone like a Steven Bassett in here

2171
01:26:38,780 --> 01:26:37,290
but I'm gonna do it anyway because it's

2172
01:26:39,980 --> 01:26:38,790
my show well he's one of the guys that

2173
01:26:41,780 --> 01:26:39,990
says it's always next year

2174
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:41,790
of course but and eventually he's gonna

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01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:44,130
be right if he lives long enough he may

2176
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:45,960
be right but then he's the boy who cried

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01:26:50,810 --> 01:26:48,090
wolf well there's that although I think

2178
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:50,820
he's an optimist okay he's a disclosure

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01:26:55,190 --> 01:26:53,250
optimist I'm uh I guess I'm not a

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01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,200
pessimist I'm a disclosure realist I

2181
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:57,840
think that it's like I have a slight

2182
01:27:02,150 --> 01:26:59,610
image in one of my presentations of a

2183
01:27:04,190 --> 01:27:02,160
train that's run into a car and I think

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01:27:07,670 --> 01:27:04,200
that's the best image the Train is truth

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01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:07,680
and the car is secrecy eventually that

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01:27:11,540 --> 01:27:09,090
car is going to be knocked off the

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01:27:15,050 --> 01:27:11,550
tracks by the train and when it happens

2188
01:27:16,670 --> 01:27:15,060
is a variable that is yet to be known I

2189
01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:16,680
kind of think the only way it's going to

2190
01:27:20,540 --> 01:27:18,660
happen is if there is a compelling event

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01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:20,550
and releasing for it to happen

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01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,130
yes that being that whatever it is out

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:25,440
there that's causing UFOs to appear they

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01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:29,010
or it or whatever it is will stage some

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01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:32,280
event to make it hell otherwise I don't

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01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:33,990
know how it would have will you make an

2197
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:35,730
interesting point because let's let's

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01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,800
talk about the one thing that the others

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01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:39,840
would whoever whoever these are this

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01:27:44,150 --> 01:27:42,090
whether it's a one group many groups

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01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:44,160
there whether they're extraterrestrials

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01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:45,600
or Time Traveller's they're extra

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01:27:49,190 --> 01:27:46,950
dimensionals whatever they are these

2204
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:49,200
others the one thing the others and the

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01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:51,750
secret keepers among the humans have

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01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:54,960
agreed on for the last 60 70 years is

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01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,850
that it should be a secret because both

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01:28:00,620 --> 01:27:58,560
groups have had the ability to end the

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secrets anytime the others could stage

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light shows over the cities are actually

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land on the White House lawn or send a

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01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:06,150
diplomatic mission and they haven't and

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01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:08,130
the secret keepers could call a press

2214
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:09,930
conference and say here's what we know

2215
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:11,830
nobody does that so

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01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:13,690
the only way disclosure happens

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01:28:20,340 --> 01:28:17,470
apparently based on past actions is an

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01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:20,350
event of some kind or our own self

2219
01:28:25,170 --> 01:28:22,990
disclosure will force people to get off

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01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,180
their backsides and do the investigation

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01:28:29,070 --> 01:28:27,280
that's necessary so otherwise we go

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01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:29,080
through the cycles where the interest

2223
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:32,860
wanes yeah the interest comes back there

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01:28:36,660 --> 01:28:34,570
is some kind of what I call publicity

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01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:36,670
flap which is where suddenly some

2226
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:38,950
compelling case gets publicity and we

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talk about it and everybody who have the

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01:28:45,690 --> 01:28:43,240
UFO sightings that year reports their

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01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:45,700
UFO sighting or their other paranormal

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01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:47,710
event then it happens well the one thing

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01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:49,450
you can't count on is the established

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01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:51,460
media because they seem to have just

2233
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:53,470
missed the boat on this one for 70 years

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01:28:57,420 --> 01:28:55,090
so they're not going to do it we have to

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do it right Sabol where can we find more

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01:29:01,080 --> 01:28:59,260
information about the stuff you're up to

2237
01:29:03,390 --> 01:29:01,090
which is a lot okay well thank you uh

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01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:03,400
Richard Dolan and I put up a site called

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after disclosure calm I'll run together

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where we kind of make that the forum for

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all things you Falah djegal and we even

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have a Facebook group at facebook.com/

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after this backslash after disclosure

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because we like I said it needs to be a

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dialogue Richard and I don't have all

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the answers we have some of the

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questions and we have some examples of

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things we might think happened but we

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think ultimately for everyone to be a to

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pull it together we got to start talking

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to each other Bryce Szabo thanks for

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here's Jean Steinberg working on a

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second book in my mind but every time

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that I get more into it under the

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conference paper another article

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another thing intercedes right now a

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great deal of controversy has reemerged

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ran the Rendlesham forest incident tell

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us briefly about what's going on with

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that well um there are claims and

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counterclaims let's remember that in the

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summer of 1997 on the 50th anniversary

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of Roswell the Air Force came out with a

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multi hundred dollar a hundred page tome

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I think it was called case closed or

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something like that several hundred

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pages of pure nonsense and you say to

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yourself fifty years after the fact

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there is still this driving need to

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discredit it and the players and the

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accounts and the documentation we're

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heading into its 31 years since

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Rendlesham forest incident and yet it is

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still being argued about it is still

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being represented as different things

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and unfortunately some of the witnesses

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are being pushed against others and it's

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01:35:19,620 --> 01:35:16,270
all going to be redressed this summer

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June 16th and 17th back in England and

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my intention is to encourage our

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conference organiser to do something we

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were disallowed from doing last year

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because at the last minute a documentary

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company putting together something for

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television stepped in and grabbed the

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rights the intention had been to do a

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DVD to follow up on the wonderful job we

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had done raising about 7,000 pounds that

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night of the 30th anniversary conference

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on December 28th 2010 for a local series

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of children's hospices in Suffolk and it

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was very disappointing to me that

2398
01:36:05,589 --> 01:36:02,389
we were not even able to have our own

2399
01:36:08,469 --> 01:36:05,599
copies of what went down that night and

2400
01:36:10,469 --> 01:36:08,479
instead it became private as opposed to

2401
01:36:12,729 --> 01:36:10,479
having a DVD made that in perpetuity

2402
01:36:16,810 --> 01:36:12,739
would still feed money into this

2403
01:36:20,199 --> 01:36:16,820
wonderful jewelry cause boy yes so what

2404
01:36:22,929 --> 01:36:20,209
my intention and Larry's is for this one

2405
01:36:26,350 --> 01:36:22,939
and I'm sure that I am optimistic our

2406
01:36:30,219 --> 01:36:26,360
organizer will agree is that it be DVD

2407
01:36:32,580 --> 01:36:30,229
and that all sales go to a charity of

2408
01:36:36,699 --> 01:36:32,590
their choice a local one and East Anglia

2409
01:36:39,729 --> 01:36:36,709
however what I want to see is a general

2410
01:36:41,709 --> 01:36:39,739
notice made to every and all persons who

2411
01:36:44,859 --> 01:36:41,719
could be attending that they are not

2412
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:44,869
only allowed to but encouraged to bring

2413
01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:47,360
their own own video cabs and recorders

2414
01:36:56,529 --> 01:36:50,209
that we the speakers all wave our common

2415
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:56,539
rights that we encourage chips fall

2416
01:37:00,040 --> 01:36:58,130
where they may in a word get the word

2417
01:37:02,799 --> 01:37:00,050
out to Judge John Sirica

2418
01:37:04,810 --> 01:37:02,809
late of the Watergate hearings and then

2419
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,820
let you folks decide without it being

2420
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,320
filtered through or the need to buy a

2421
01:37:11,739 --> 01:37:08,800
set or see a segment of the snippet on

2422
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:11,749
YouTube or something like that but this

2423
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:13,610
has been a wonderful conference has yeah

2424
01:37:17,949 --> 01:37:15,530
I mean it's kinda nice to fan I'm really

2425
01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:17,959
sorry I missed your your I'm sure moving

2426
01:37:23,290 --> 01:37:21,409
presentation that detailed out your long

2427
01:37:25,839 --> 01:37:23,300
long involvement with late Budd Hopkins

2428
01:37:28,509 --> 01:37:25,849
whose it was a real pioneer and a pillar

2429
01:37:31,149 --> 01:37:28,519
in this this whole community and you

2430
01:37:33,399 --> 01:37:31,159
know it's it's uh it's it's really a you

2431
01:37:35,529 --> 01:37:33,409
know I tip my hat to you for for being

2432
01:37:37,509 --> 01:37:35,539
such an eloquent spokesman for for the

2433
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:37,519
man's life work and you know I think

2434
01:37:41,979 --> 01:37:39,530
it's the other thing that I really

2435
01:37:43,330 --> 01:37:41,989
wanted to mention I know you're really

2436
01:37:45,609 --> 01:37:43,340
just being pulled in many directions

2437
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:45,619
here one of the things I wanted to

2438
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,119
mention to you and in acknowledged

2439
01:37:51,909 --> 01:37:50,239
publicly is the just deep pleasure I had

2440
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:51,919
in editing your conversation we

2441
01:37:57,069 --> 01:37:55,130
Casselton it was just I learned so much

2442
01:37:58,389 --> 01:37:57,079
from you guys it's just I'm getting

2443
01:37:59,589 --> 01:37:58,399
goosebumps thinking about it you know

2444
01:38:02,030 --> 01:37:59,599
explain to our listeners what we're

2445
01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:02,040
talking about we're talking about

2446
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:04,840
okay well alright the Oh Peter was one

2447
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:09,520
of quite a number of very very smart

2448
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:12,010
learned and experienced ufologist and

2449
01:38:17,250 --> 01:38:14,110
thinkers who were involved in the

2450
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:17,260
dialogue the disclosure dialog project

2451
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:19,930
and he's featured prominently in it

2452
01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:21,370
could happen tomorrow the film that you

2453
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:23,590
know we we won the EB Awards this year

2454
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:26,770
and I must say that you're just

2455
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:28,810
eloquence and your your closing

2456
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:31,690
statement about how you and Gary have

2457
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:33,130
done the work you've done the research

2458
01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:35,650
and it's it's really important that

2459
01:38:39,630 --> 01:38:37,510
everybody out there who's interested in

2460
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:39,640
this subject gets themselves up to speed

2461
01:38:44,670 --> 01:38:42,130
stop drinking the true believer kool-aid

2462
01:38:47,310 --> 01:38:44,680
and make your own decisions based on

2463
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:47,320
your own research not entertainment

2464
01:38:52,440 --> 01:38:49,630
tonight I mean coast to coast and other

2465
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:52,450
shows that that tend to pander to to the

2466
01:38:57,930 --> 01:38:55,390
pop culture sort of idealized view of

2467
01:39:00,060 --> 01:38:57,940
this subject it is infinitely more

2468
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,070
complex and you eloquently brought that

2469
01:39:03,330 --> 01:39:01,840
out and I really thank you for your

2470
01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:03,340
involvement the project it was really

2471
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:05,680
pivotal for me you addressed several

2472
01:39:11,970 --> 01:39:08,950
points seven first thank you for your

2473
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:11,980
words about my talk on but I when I was

2474
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:14,110
invited to speak here I was very excited

2475
01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:17,680
and I sent the nice folks to open minds

2476
01:39:21,900 --> 01:39:19,900
about ten topics I was ready to go on

2477
01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:21,910
and they said we'd like you to speak on

2478
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:25,180
bud I had written a remembrance on him

2479
01:39:31,170 --> 01:39:28,210
for open minds another one for a British

2480
01:39:33,420 --> 01:39:31,180
magazine I did about oh you know twelve

2481
01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:33,430
of your fellow radio shows reminiscing

2482
01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:34,750
about bud and that was a part of my

2483
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:36,520
healing process now there's some other

2484
01:39:40,590 --> 01:39:38,170
magazine in this country you didn't

2485
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:40,600
write for I would expect Oh correct okay

2486
01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:45,040
for me that was it and fine and I when I

2487
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:46,780
got this assignment for that's what it

2488
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,650
was I probably done conservatively quite

2489
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:52,960
a number of hundreds of public talks

2490
01:39:59,040 --> 01:39:56,530
since 1977 revolving generally around

2491
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:59,050
the subject of UFOs this one is

2492
01:40:04,230 --> 01:40:00,880
different than anyone I had ever had

2493
01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:04,240
done and the challenge in part was but

2494
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:06,790
and I were friends and colleagues for 35

2495
01:40:13,710 --> 01:40:11,710
years I did not want to have people feel

2496
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:13,720
I was idealizing him

2497
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:16,210
or just presenting the best part of him

2498
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:19,210
I wanted people to also have a sense of

2499
01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:23,010
what a very special human being he was

2500
01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:27,000
what a great artist what and in a

2501
01:40:32,670 --> 01:40:29,380
wonderful sense of humor what a true

2502
01:40:35,370 --> 01:40:32,680
humanist what a great intellect knew and

2503
01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:35,380
I thought right I'll devote myself to

2504
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,510
that and then I realized I have to I

2505
01:40:45,210 --> 01:40:42,400
can't talk about bud without talking

2506
01:40:46,590 --> 01:40:45,220
about my relationship with him our that

2507
01:40:48,150 --> 01:40:46,600
is people going to see that as sort of

2508
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:48,160
an ego thing of pushing forward us or

2509
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:50,050
anybody going to think I'm positioning

2510
01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:52,930
myself you know last thing I want to do

2511
01:40:57,150 --> 01:40:55,540
that's a tightrope well then I realized

2512
01:41:00,210 --> 01:40:57,160
the reason I got into this is you know

2513
01:41:01,770 --> 01:41:00,220
Chris was my sister and I first she

2514
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:01,780
first talked to me about her abduction

2515
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:05,050
experiences in 1975 as far as I knew I

2516
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:07,270
had never you know I guess you know

2517
01:41:10,020 --> 01:41:08,560
Betty and Barney Hill were the only

2518
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:10,030
thing out there and I wasn't into this

2519
01:41:16,980 --> 01:41:14,710
stuff at all and I realized that she was

2520
01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:16,990
really the third leg of our triangle he

2521
01:41:22,980 --> 01:41:18,760
worked with her extensively they became

2522
01:41:24,810 --> 01:41:22,990
dear friends and on top of that because

2523
01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:24,820
there's a lot of emotional content in

2524
01:41:31,950 --> 01:41:28,540
the talk and I'm a good speaker and I

2525
01:41:34,530 --> 01:41:31,960
know the material I did not want to rake

2526
01:41:36,270 --> 01:41:34,540
the crowds emotions and there is a point

2527
01:41:42,540 --> 01:41:36,280
where I have to say that my sister died

2528
01:41:45,210 --> 01:41:42,550
and managed in moving along without

2529
01:41:48,330 --> 01:41:45,220
being dispassionate but not dwelling on

2530
01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:48,340
him and then manage my own feelings as I

2531
01:41:53,580 --> 01:41:50,920
gave this talk I also wanted to be rich

2532
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,590
in images photographs I had taken a bud

2533
01:41:57,810 --> 01:41:55,360
his studio his work over the years

2534
01:42:00,360 --> 01:41:57,820
pictures of Helen pictures of me and but

2535
01:42:02,610 --> 01:42:00,370
etc and almost an impressionistic but an

2536
01:42:06,810 --> 01:42:02,620
extremely methodical way so thank you

2537
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:06,820
there and the things that people have

2538
01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:08,350
said to me over the past few days about

2539
01:42:13,650 --> 01:42:11,500
how they felt about the talk I've just

2540
01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:13,660
never been prouder of a presentation and

2541
01:42:18,780 --> 01:42:16,060
you know when you're a speaker at a

2542
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,790
conference like this the understanding

2543
01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:19,840
is you get paid you

2544
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:22,360
at fee your transportation is covered in

2545
01:42:27,209 --> 01:42:25,090
your room but we draw no royalties from

2546
01:42:28,919 --> 01:42:27,219
you know the products sold and that's

2547
01:42:32,459 --> 01:42:28,929
the way it should be as far as I'm

2548
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:32,469
concerned to support you know a small

2549
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:35,110
revenue stream coming in so tell have

2550
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:38,560
next year's conference but this is what

2551
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:41,290
I'm proud to say that anybody that wants

2552
01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:43,270
to pay fifteen dollars and get that from

2553
01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:45,670
open minds it's a talk I'll be forever

2554
01:42:51,149 --> 01:42:48,460
proud of them as for the disclosure

2555
01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:51,159
dialogues you know there are certain

2556
01:42:56,129 --> 01:42:54,280
moments where something very simple

2557
01:42:57,780 --> 01:42:56,139
happens and it changes everything

2558
01:43:00,240 --> 01:42:57,790
I've been doing conferences like this

2559
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:00,250
and you know being interviewed for

2560
01:43:06,180 --> 01:43:03,070
decades and jennifer stein it was just

2561
01:43:08,129 --> 01:43:06,190
as though for some epiphany happen and

2562
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:08,139
what she did that was different was

2563
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:09,790
rather than say sit down and let me

2564
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:11,320
interview her sit down and talk

2565
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:12,820
she said sit down and have a

2566
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:16,449
conversation with this person but many

2567
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:17,679
of us knew each other

2568
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:21,010
Gary and I certainly knew of each

2569
01:43:25,229 --> 01:43:22,719
other's work and followed each other's

2570
01:43:27,450 --> 01:43:25,239
work for years admired each other but we

2571
01:43:29,609 --> 01:43:27,460
had never met till that weekend I didn't

2572
01:43:31,229 --> 01:43:29,619
know this you know you never you would

2573
01:43:33,379 --> 01:43:31,239
never know it well I don't that it was

2574
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:33,389
like oh

2575
01:43:39,089 --> 01:43:36,400
looking forward to talking home for me

2576
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:39,099
after two minutes I forgot we were being

2577
01:43:42,359 --> 01:43:40,330
filmed we're sitting there having the

2578
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:42,369
gunner foot strap that makes it more

2579
01:43:49,229 --> 01:43:47,199
natural we're going to be leaving in a

2580
01:43:52,589 --> 01:43:49,239
few minutes we have to split for a quick

2581
01:43:54,330 --> 01:43:52,599
break here what I asked you just quick

2582
01:43:57,540 --> 01:43:54,340
summary of what you're feeling about

2583
01:44:00,839 --> 01:43:57,550
disclosure is and when it might happen

2584
01:44:03,060 --> 01:44:00,849
we have Peter Robbins joining us more to

2585
01:44:05,070 --> 01:44:03,070
come do with gene and Chris but we don't

2586
01:44:07,410 --> 01:44:05,080
have Bryce able to do this we have to

2587
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:07,420
call upon Chris to say you're in the

2588
01:44:25,790 --> 01:44:09,410
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2618
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2619
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,830
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2620
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:02,480
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2621
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,730
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that's for the power cast newsletter now

2642
01:46:57,310 --> 01:46:54,980
we return to the International UFO

2643
01:46:59,500 --> 01:46:57,320
conference with gene and Chris we have

2644
01:47:02,230 --> 01:46:59,510
Peter Robbins joining us author of left

2645
01:47:04,150 --> 01:47:02,240
at Eastgate but we're gonna discuss the

2646
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:04,160
topic of disclosure because you were

2647
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:06,410
part of this award-winning film of which

2648
01:47:10,630 --> 01:47:08,570
our own Chris O'Brien was a part of and

2649
01:47:13,330 --> 01:47:10,640
we were talking about what Chris can do

2650
01:47:15,340 --> 01:47:13,340
with that award was so thin and long and

2651
01:47:17,020 --> 01:47:15,350
what kind of purposes it might serve

2652
01:47:19,390 --> 01:47:17,030
because you say he's going to have it

2653
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:19,400
point backwards because the face is cut

2654
01:47:23,290 --> 01:47:21,050
you know it's not like Oscar you know

2655
01:47:25,060 --> 01:47:23,300
has kind of a Oscar doesn't have that

2656
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:25,070
pretty effaced and to know it doesn't

2657
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:27,530
have a face there's no features no face

2658
01:47:32,410 --> 01:47:29,630
no features well okay this has a face

2659
01:47:34,570 --> 01:47:32,420
and as it features disclosure yeah

2660
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:34,580
first let me just say thank you for the

2661
01:47:39,580 --> 01:47:36,410
compliment but I open the co-author of

2662
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,590
left to D skate the real force behind it

2663
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:41,920
is Larry Warren who was

2664
01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:43,180
American Air Force security police

2665
01:47:48,660 --> 01:47:46,270
officer who was an eyewitness to part of

2666
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:48,670
the events and who was the man who blew

2667
01:47:53,700 --> 01:47:51,250
the whistle on the event disclosure it

2668
01:47:55,890 --> 01:47:53,710
bravely - yes indeed all right let's

2669
01:47:58,400 --> 01:47:55,900
talk about disclosure yes

2670
01:48:01,260 --> 01:47:58,410
in what form what shape manner or form

2671
01:48:03,780 --> 01:48:01,270
would you expect that disclosure might

2672
01:48:06,660 --> 01:48:03,790
take if it happens well number one the

2673
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:06,670
process is ongoing now with you know

2674
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:08,770
several dozen countries having released

2675
01:48:13,410 --> 01:48:11,410
certain material information sources

2676
01:48:15,890 --> 01:48:13,420
like the para caste other more

2677
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:15,900
responsible aspects of the media who are

2678
01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:18,400
doing their best to educate people if

2679
01:48:23,220 --> 01:48:21,100
you're talking about disclosure as the

2680
01:48:25,770 --> 01:48:23,230
American government releasing

2681
01:48:27,780 --> 01:48:25,780
information I have to agree with my dear

2682
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:27,790
friend and soul brother Richard Dolan

2683
01:48:33,870 --> 01:48:30,970
that the government will never willingly

2684
01:48:36,090 --> 01:48:33,880
do it and disclosure is inevitable now

2685
01:48:37,770 --> 01:48:36,100
whether it comes in the form of we would

2686
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:37,780
have said in the old analog days of

2687
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:40,030
Daniel Ellsberg Pentagon Papers type

2688
01:48:44,430 --> 01:48:42,880
release or now Julian Assange if he

2689
01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:44,440
doesn't drop off the edge of the earth

2690
01:48:50,780 --> 01:48:48,070
into a dark hole you think well not

2691
01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:50,790
necessarily but I am concerned for him

2692
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:53,620
WikiLeaks is a new phenomenon and the

2693
01:48:57,060 --> 01:48:55,840
fact is if there was a huge information

2694
01:48:59,070 --> 01:48:57,070
dump on there

2695
01:49:03,510 --> 01:48:59,080
and it got viral that would serve as

2696
01:49:06,780 --> 01:49:03,520
well I also feel that while I understand

2697
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:06,790
and applaud the enthusiasm of chapters

2698
01:49:12,510 --> 01:49:09,430
of disclosure so to say all over the

2699
01:49:17,550 --> 01:49:12,520
world of dear people I've met in so many

2700
01:49:19,860 --> 01:49:17,560
countries that what are we pushing for

2701
01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:19,870
exactly in that and as we had a

2702
01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:22,780
fascinating panel the other night on who

2703
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:25,270
are the aliens the distinguished

2704
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:29,280
hypnotherapist Yvonne Smith was our

2705
01:49:37,170 --> 01:49:33,610
moderator it was myself Whitley Strieber

2706
01:49:38,670 --> 01:49:37,180
and streamer Steven Greer and there are

2707
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:38,680
a number of different points of view put

2708
01:49:43,950 --> 01:49:40,930
forward in response to something that

2709
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:43,960
Steve said relative to getting it out

2710
01:49:47,980 --> 01:49:46,090
there in the movement for me a much more

2711
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:47,990
circumspect because

2712
01:49:53,290 --> 01:49:51,440
once you start the process in earnest do

2713
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:53,300
you just dump it and let it sort itself

2714
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:54,980
out let's remember we're in a vacuum

2715
01:49:59,110 --> 01:49:57,050
here there are thousand people in this

2716
01:50:02,050 --> 01:49:59,120
hotel complex most of us are fairly

2717
01:50:04,420 --> 01:50:02,060
ready or so we feel but have we thought

2718
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,430
through the implications for the rest of

2719
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:06,080
our brothers and sisters on the planet

2720
01:50:12,510 --> 01:50:09,290
or in this country now one of my major

2721
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:12,520
concerns is let's say we begin with a

2722
01:50:17,470 --> 01:50:15,920
methodical declassification Department

2723
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:17,480
of Defense establishes a separate

2724
01:50:20,380 --> 01:50:19,010
website we do it our Majesty's

2725
01:50:22,570 --> 01:50:20,390
Government the French government the

2726
01:50:25,210 --> 01:50:22,580
Swedes so many countries have done over

2727
01:50:27,970 --> 01:50:25,220
the years and start to declassify our

2728
01:50:30,010 --> 01:50:27,980
mid-level low-level documents follow it

2729
01:50:33,130 --> 01:50:30,020
with more intense stuff and then perhaps

2730
01:50:35,650 --> 01:50:33,140
you know in with big press releases and

2731
01:50:39,250 --> 01:50:35,660
fanfare or whatever real evidence of

2732
01:50:41,670 --> 01:50:39,260
this other presence now of course

2733
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:41,680
there's a great body of irresponsible

2734
01:50:47,010 --> 01:50:44,000
literature on this and a great body of

2735
01:50:49,480 --> 01:50:47,020
responsible literature once we get into

2736
01:50:51,790 --> 01:50:49,490
talking about this inevitably it will

2737
01:50:53,410 --> 01:50:51,800
lead to the abduction phenomena which

2738
01:50:57,340 --> 01:50:53,420
some people have positive experiences

2739
01:51:01,630 --> 01:50:57,350
some have negative then on to the hybrid

2740
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:01,640
phenomena then on to missing pregnancies

2741
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:03,920
and things that are extremely disturbing

2742
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:06,410
the point I put forward that I discuss

2743
01:51:11,380 --> 01:51:08,890
in a paper I wrote some years back

2744
01:51:13,390 --> 01:51:11,390
called politics religion and human

2745
01:51:16,180 --> 01:51:13,400
nature and then the impact of subject

2746
01:51:18,910 --> 01:51:16,190
like this is let's just say we're at a

2747
01:51:21,010 --> 01:51:18,920
point where the public at large now

2748
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:21,020
knows that abduction and I won't say

2749
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:23,690
alien abduction because I don't know

2750
01:51:28,270 --> 01:51:25,280
their quote-unquote aliens I'll say

2751
01:51:30,090 --> 01:51:28,280
ufo-related abduction is going on it's

2752
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:30,100
real it's authentic it has touched

2753
01:51:34,090 --> 01:51:32,330
regular people all over the world and

2754
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:34,100
quite a number of extremely well-known

2755
01:51:39,220 --> 01:51:37,010
people in high places with great power

2756
01:51:40,810 --> 01:51:39,230
many of whom have lived secret lives for

2757
01:51:42,940 --> 01:51:40,820
understandable reasons because of the

2758
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:42,950
nature of the ridicule factor which is

2759
01:51:47,770 --> 01:51:45,890
so ingrained in us methodically by our

2760
01:51:50,740 --> 01:51:47,780
media by our government by popular

2761
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:50,750
culture since the summer of 47 so well

2762
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:52,610
we offer courses on people in show

2763
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:53,690
business claimed to have been abducted

2764
01:51:59,549 --> 01:51:56,480
well claim to and have been like Fran

2765
01:52:03,149 --> 01:51:59,559
Drescher yes indeed her former husband

2766
01:52:05,729 --> 01:52:03,159
yeah I know

2767
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:05,739
much bigger names okay they are

2768
01:52:09,839 --> 01:52:07,570
confidential and I will never reveal

2769
01:52:10,740 --> 01:52:09,849
them because I've been asked to and why

2770
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:10,750
not

2771
01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:13,090
part of that is these people live with a

2772
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:14,289
certain fear that they're going to be

2773
01:52:20,129 --> 01:52:17,170
outed as the UFO related author or

2774
01:52:20,879 --> 01:52:20,139
painter or writer or you know comedian

2775
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:20,889
what-have-you

2776
01:52:25,229 --> 01:52:23,440
so here's my point now the general

2777
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:25,239
public is aware of this and the hybrid

2778
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:27,730
phenomena and that some of these alleged

2779
01:52:33,330 --> 01:52:30,730
hybrids part us part them they don't

2780
01:52:35,609 --> 01:52:33,340
look quite human and if you saw mama

2781
01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:35,619
Street you would recoil or react

2782
01:52:40,979 --> 01:52:39,190
where others apparently seem to be human

2783
01:52:42,330 --> 01:52:40,989
enough in appearance that they could

2784
01:52:45,029 --> 01:52:42,340
walk by in the street you wouldn't do a

2785
01:52:47,729 --> 01:52:45,039
double-take that's some people except me

2786
01:52:52,649 --> 01:52:47,739
of course some of the descriptions are

2787
01:52:54,510 --> 01:52:52,659
pale skin you know thin light hair sort

2788
01:52:56,189 --> 01:52:54,520
of mechanical in their communications

2789
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:56,199
and you're sitting there at home saying

2790
01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:00,159
good lord that guy across the hall I and

2791
01:53:05,879 --> 01:53:02,440
he reads UFO books and he doesn't talk

2792
01:53:07,859 --> 01:53:05,889
much and somebody shoot us somebody let

2793
01:53:09,779 --> 01:53:07,869
me give you a real world example I was

2794
01:53:12,510 --> 01:53:09,789
never prouder to be a New Yorker that in

2795
01:53:14,729 --> 01:53:12,520
the days following 9/11 we managed

2796
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:14,739
ourselves very well you cannot imagine

2797
01:53:21,180 --> 01:53:16,570
what it was like being there at the time

2798
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:21,190
and especially with our New Yorkers who

2799
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,820
were Muslims or who looked foreign or

2800
01:53:29,279 --> 01:53:27,280
Middle Eastern or what-have-you not one

2801
01:53:33,060 --> 01:53:29,289
of them was hurt but some months later a

2802
01:53:36,689 --> 01:53:33,070
bunch of you know drunken nationalistic

2803
01:53:39,180 --> 01:53:36,699
Yahoo waved the flag kind of guys saw a

2804
01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:39,190
guy on the street that they identified

2805
01:53:44,339 --> 01:53:41,230
as one of them and they beat him to

2806
01:53:46,770 --> 01:53:44,349
death he was a nice Hindu man from India

2807
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:46,780
and that's a conventional real-world

2808
01:53:51,209 --> 01:53:49,690
example this is one we have we had an

2809
01:53:53,490 --> 01:53:51,219
instance like that in this further

2810
01:53:55,890 --> 01:53:53,500
country - it yeah why sure but now that

2811
01:53:57,779 --> 01:53:55,900
again we're talking about something that

2812
01:54:00,810 --> 01:53:57,789
could be much more upsetting to the

2813
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:00,820
public at large and we are a country we

2814
01:54:06,569 --> 01:54:03,520
forget because we're here we're of

2815
01:54:08,260 --> 01:54:06,579
firearms we consider our right in most

2816
01:54:10,450 --> 01:54:08,270
states

2817
01:54:14,350 --> 01:54:10,460
and in the state we're in it's an open

2818
01:54:17,620 --> 01:54:14,360
carry state if you are you know a tough

2819
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:17,630
macho guy and you feel that this person

2820
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:19,730
might be a threat to you and I'm not

2821
01:54:24,430 --> 01:54:21,410
exaggerating I mean again this is one

2822
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:24,440
tiny aspect not to mention the impact it

2823
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:27,650
will have on churches mental

2824
01:54:32,770 --> 01:54:30,110
institutions the stock market the

2825
01:54:39,670 --> 01:54:32,780
petrochemical industry and once the

2826
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,680
process is begun so I you know I I feel

2827
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:42,320
this should come out but at what rate

2828
01:54:48,130 --> 01:54:44,960
managed by who what comes first

2829
01:54:50,110 --> 01:54:48,140
putting our human beings first and how

2830
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:50,120
do you control the message once it gets

2831
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,090
out begins to get out you can't control

2832
01:54:59,290 --> 01:54:56,000
the message because suddenly our 24/7

2833
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,300
cable culture wouldn't allow it and the

2834
01:55:05,230 --> 01:55:01,280
other thing is that there are a lot of

2835
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:05,240
folks here that either impatient they

2836
01:55:10,300 --> 01:55:06,530
want to see it in their time it's a

2837
01:55:12,250 --> 01:55:10,310
perfectly human thing they also feel

2838
01:55:14,230 --> 01:55:12,260
they've earned the right and there are

2839
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:14,240
others who are involved in the movement

2840
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:15,890
and this is what they're doing and

2841
01:55:22,030 --> 01:55:18,530
they're committed to it peter robbins

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here at the International UFO conference

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02:00:19,990 --> 02:00:18,290
tonight and it was kind of touch and go

2954
02:00:23,110 --> 02:00:20,000
for a while because when we arrived here

2955
02:00:25,450 --> 02:00:23,120
Chris and I another TV crew who had not

2956
02:00:26,979 --> 02:00:25,460
booked time was finishing up and they

2957
02:00:28,959 --> 02:00:26,989
wanted more time and they started

2958
02:00:30,729 --> 02:00:28,969
ragging on me how dare you didn't you

2959
02:00:33,610 --> 02:00:30,739
see through the peek hole that we're

2960
02:00:35,470 --> 02:00:33,620
doing the shoot I said no I couldn't see

2961
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:35,480
anything through that peek hole so there

2962
02:00:39,790 --> 02:00:37,610
you go Chris we have one more guest we

2963
02:00:41,740 --> 02:00:39,800
do indeed and it's a real pleasure to

2964
02:00:44,170 --> 02:00:41,750
introduce to our audience Jennifer Stein

2965
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:44,180
who was the executive producer and the

2966
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:47,450
brainchild manufacturer of the

2967
02:00:52,450 --> 02:00:50,960
disclosure dialogues DVD set and of

2968
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:52,460
course the documentary the standalone

2969
02:00:57,640 --> 02:00:54,530
documentary included in that set it

2970
02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:57,650
could happen tomorrow much to our I

2971
02:01:02,920 --> 02:00:59,840
guess I don't know how to describe it

2972
02:01:04,780 --> 02:01:02,930
I'm still thrilled about it yet one not

2973
02:01:06,970 --> 02:01:04,790
only the EB will award for the best

2974
02:01:08,740 --> 02:01:06,980
feature film but also it won the

2975
02:01:10,330 --> 02:01:08,750
People's Choice Award and despite

2976
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:10,340
everything you did this despite

2977
02:01:15,490 --> 02:01:13,010
everything I did I had to really watch

2978
02:01:17,350 --> 02:01:15,500
my watch my P's and Q's and not put a

2979
02:01:19,630 --> 02:01:17,360
slant on the project if at all possible

2980
02:01:21,700 --> 02:01:19,640
and I think I managed to do that and

2981
02:01:24,010 --> 02:01:21,710
it's really an honor and a pleasure to

2982
02:01:25,420 --> 02:01:24,020
have Jennifer here and to introduce her

2983
02:01:27,370 --> 02:01:25,430
to our fairer cast audience

2984
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:27,380
Jennifer welcome and why don't you tell

2985
02:01:31,150 --> 02:01:29,570
us a little bit about yourself and how

2986
02:01:33,250 --> 02:01:31,160
you actually got involved in this

2987
02:01:35,740 --> 02:01:33,260
wonderful subject well thank you it's a

2988
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:35,750
tremendous honor to be here Chris thank

2989
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:37,280
you very much for inviting me to be on

2990
02:01:44,740 --> 02:01:42,410
the show I decided to attend the last

2991
02:01:46,270 --> 02:01:44,750
International UFO conference that Bob

2992
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:46,280
Brown was running

2993
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:50,090
in Lockland Nevada I think it was 2009

2994
02:01:55,450 --> 02:01:53,210
and I showed up as a spectator while I

2995
02:01:58,120 --> 02:01:55,460
was there Danny Sheehan approached me

2996
02:02:00,250 --> 02:01:58,130
and said Jennifer is there any way you

2997
02:02:02,110 --> 02:02:00,260
could shoot an interview between myself

2998
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:02,120
and Richard Dolan it's sort of like a

2999
02:02:05,770 --> 02:02:03,770
dialog where the two of us could get

3000
02:02:07,870 --> 02:02:05,780
together and really debate about our

3001
02:02:11,170 --> 02:02:07,880
backgrounds and our interest and ishii

3002
02:02:13,210 --> 02:02:11,180
and of course being a attorney and chief

3003
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:13,220
counsel for the Vatican for many years

3004
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:15,290
and Richard Dolan being a well

3005
02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:17,450
recognized authority on the UFO topic

3006
02:02:22,870 --> 02:02:19,520
they wanted to get together and discuss

3007
02:02:25,660 --> 02:02:22,880
back and forth and I said to Dan Danny

3008
02:02:27,340 --> 02:02:25,670
Shannon oh I'm so honored to be asked

3009
02:02:29,110 --> 02:02:27,350
but you have to understand I've come as

3010
02:02:31,570 --> 02:02:29,120
a spectator I live in Philadelphia

3011
02:02:33,370 --> 02:02:31,580
all my equipment is in Philadelphia but

3012
02:02:35,530 --> 02:02:33,380
let me just hold that thought

3013
02:02:37,090 --> 02:02:35,540
I'm not going to mix the potential of it

3014
02:02:39,670 --> 02:02:37,100
I'm certainly not going to attempt to

3015
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:39,680
shoot something on my little Canon still

3016
02:02:43,870 --> 02:02:41,840
camera but if I can get a hold of

3017
02:02:46,420 --> 02:02:43,880
equipment I'll try to see if I can make

3018
02:02:48,430 --> 02:02:46,430
it happen shortly thereafter Ron James

3019
02:02:50,860 --> 02:02:48,440
walks by me and I noticed this camera

3020
02:02:53,230 --> 02:02:50,870
cuz I own it at home I have the exact

3021
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:53,240
same camera and to a camera person as

3022
02:02:57,970 --> 02:02:55,010
you well know Chris because you also

3023
02:02:59,980 --> 02:02:57,980
shoot your camera has to be an extension

3024
02:03:00,880 --> 02:02:59,990
of you you have to be intimate with it

3025
02:03:02,830 --> 02:03:00,890
you have to know where all the buttons

3026
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:02,840
and focuses are and know how to work

3027
02:03:07,180 --> 02:03:04,610
everything which I'm still learning on

3028
02:03:09,450 --> 02:03:07,190
my camera as you know so he walks by me

3029
02:03:12,670 --> 02:03:09,460
and I say oh my god there's my camera

3030
02:03:15,070 --> 02:03:12,680
well maybe I can introduce myself so I

3031
02:03:17,230 --> 02:03:15,080
immediately follow him and I stop him

3032
02:03:19,900 --> 02:03:17,240
and I say Ron you don't really know me

3033
02:03:22,450 --> 02:03:19,910
but may I borrow about $70,000 worth of

3034
02:03:24,850 --> 02:03:22,460
your equipment and Ron turns around us

3035
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:24,860
as well like yeah who are you and why do

3036
02:03:28,630 --> 02:03:26,480
you want it and I told him what I wanted

3037
02:03:30,700 --> 02:03:28,640
to do and we worked out an arrangement I

3038
02:03:33,340 --> 02:03:30,710
basically bought another hotel room

3039
02:03:35,170 --> 02:03:33,350
night so he could stay here and he shot

3040
02:03:36,430 --> 02:03:35,180
it with me and at the end of this

3041
02:03:38,830 --> 02:03:36,440
interview which you could hear a pin

3042
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:38,840
drop which is really the cornerstone of

3043
02:03:43,090 --> 02:03:40,730
what developed into the Disclosure

3044
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:43,100
dialogues Ron James turned to me and

3045
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:45,570
said what do you intend to do

3046
02:03:52,010 --> 02:03:49,679
this and I said to Ron I actually did

3047
02:03:54,050 --> 02:03:52,020
this as a gift with an intention of

3048
02:03:56,359 --> 02:03:54,060
turning it over to rich Dolan and Danny

3049
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:56,369
Sheehan for them to be able to use it as

3050
02:04:00,379 --> 02:03:58,320
they like to get their message out

3051
02:04:02,180 --> 02:04:00,389
they're incredible people I have so much

3052
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:02,190
respect for and I'd like to help them

3053
02:04:06,410 --> 02:04:04,770
and Ron said let's do that but let's do

3054
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:06,420
something bigger let's do a project with

3055
02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:07,050
dialogues

3056
02:04:12,290 --> 02:04:09,300
it's brilliant as a filmmaker you and as

3057
02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:12,300
a researcher it's very hard to sit down

3058
02:04:16,609 --> 02:04:14,250
a guest and know everything about their

3059
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:16,619
background and the quality of the

3060
02:04:19,939 --> 02:04:18,210
interview that you're going to get is

3061
02:04:21,379 --> 02:04:19,949
usually based on the understanding and

3062
02:04:23,149 --> 02:04:21,389
background that you have up there work

3063
02:04:25,189 --> 02:04:23,159
so you don't know something and you

3064
02:04:27,410 --> 02:04:25,199
forget to ask a question you're never

3065
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:27,420
gonna get the meat of an issue but their

3066
02:04:31,459 --> 02:04:29,280
brilliant idea of bringing experts

3067
02:04:33,649 --> 02:04:31,469
together that intimately know each other

3068
02:04:35,569 --> 02:04:33,659
that have overlap and background and

3069
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:35,579
research and contacts and can cross

3070
02:04:38,990 --> 02:04:37,530
pollinate through the interview with

3071
02:04:40,669 --> 02:04:39,000
understanding of one another's

3072
02:04:43,370 --> 02:04:40,679
backgrounds you're gonna get a whole new

3073
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:43,380
level of material that arises yeah it

3074
02:04:50,180 --> 02:04:46,560
was really really perfect so there was

3075
02:04:52,819 --> 02:04:50,190
the birth of the project and of course

3076
02:04:54,709 --> 02:04:52,829
we decided that we could somehow do

3077
02:04:56,899 --> 02:04:54,719
something and we would attend a

3078
02:04:58,580 --> 02:04:56,909
conference Stephen Bassett was running

3079
02:05:01,100 --> 02:04:58,590
the X conference on the east coast where

3080
02:05:02,750 --> 02:05:01,110
I live and I said to Ron okay look

3081
02:05:04,819 --> 02:05:02,760
you've let me use all your equipment on

3082
02:05:06,979 --> 02:05:04,829
the west coast I'll do the same I'll

3083
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:06,989
bring all my equipment to Washington DC

3084
02:05:10,490 --> 02:05:08,610
I'll rent a hotel room we'll move out

3085
02:05:12,740 --> 02:05:10,500
the furniture we'll shoot for a number

3086
02:05:14,510 --> 02:05:12,750
of days and then we'll adjunct into this

3087
02:05:16,250 --> 02:05:14,520
other additional interviews we have our

3088
02:05:18,319 --> 02:05:16,260
other pieces you have and I have and

3089
02:05:20,810 --> 02:05:18,329
hence berth to the project the

3090
02:05:22,939 --> 02:05:20,820
disclosure dialogues and without you

3091
02:05:24,950 --> 02:05:22,949
Chris this project never would have

3092
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:24,960
happened no let me ask you a quick

3093
02:05:28,490 --> 02:05:26,880
question here and we don't have you for

3094
02:05:30,290 --> 02:05:28,500
a full show here because we've done most

3095
02:05:32,419 --> 02:05:30,300
of a full show at this point the

3096
02:05:34,450 --> 02:05:32,429
question I would have is when you went

3097
02:05:36,589 --> 02:05:34,460
into this project that you have any

3098
02:05:37,939 --> 02:05:36,599
expectations of the outcome of what

3099
02:05:39,879 --> 02:05:37,949
these people would say what do you think

3100
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:39,889
about disclosure for example I think

3101
02:05:45,740 --> 02:05:42,960
that official disclosure is very

3102
02:05:46,250 --> 02:05:45,750
unlikely I tend to agree with Peter and

3103
02:05:48,529 --> 02:05:46,260
some of

3104
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:48,539
the other experts Rich Dolman but on the

3105
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:50,400
other hand I think the disclosure is

3106
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:53,010
happening and also has happened it

3107
02:05:56,299 --> 02:05:55,170
depends on who you are what document

3108
02:06:00,129 --> 02:05:56,309
you're willing to look at what

3109
02:06:03,229 --> 02:06:00,139
background you have you have so many

3110
02:06:04,819 --> 02:06:03,239
archived legitimate pilots government

3111
02:06:08,359 --> 02:06:04,829
people I mean just look at Leslie Keens

3112
02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:08,369
book it's evident that we are having

3113
02:06:15,140 --> 02:06:11,880
engagement and disclosure happens one on

3114
02:06:17,209 --> 02:06:15,150
one one person on a deathbed finally

3115
02:06:19,850 --> 02:06:17,219
releases his information or gives it to

3116
02:06:21,649 --> 02:06:19,860
his wife and says on my death please you

3117
02:06:22,490 --> 02:06:21,659
know send this to Stanton Friedman

3118
02:06:24,890 --> 02:06:22,500
tors-10

3119
02:06:27,319 --> 02:06:24,900
send this to you know the boys doing

3120
02:06:29,450 --> 02:06:27,329
Roswell dree searcher as people

3121
02:06:31,790 --> 02:06:29,460
gradually decide that they're willing to

3122
02:06:34,729 --> 02:06:31,800
release their own information just then

3123
02:06:36,589 --> 02:06:34,739
they're making disclosure so probably

3124
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:36,599
not to assume here that there is

3125
02:06:40,129 --> 02:06:38,010
something to disclose that the

3126
02:06:43,549 --> 02:06:40,139
government has a sufficient amount of

3127
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:43,559
guilty knowledge and at least for the

3128
02:06:48,109 --> 02:06:45,840
time being a sufficient control over the

3129
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:48,119
people who know that information to keep

3130
02:06:52,549 --> 02:06:50,130
it hidden well that's one way to look at

3131
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:52,559
it let me pose a question back okay if

3132
02:06:55,970 --> 02:06:53,760
you are the President of the United

3133
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:55,980
States I probably wouldn't know a darn

3134
02:07:00,169 --> 02:06:57,570
thing you probably wouldn't know

3135
02:07:02,810 --> 02:07:00,179
anything but even if you did say if you

3136
02:07:05,060 --> 02:07:02,820
were head of the Armed Forces or CIA or

3137
02:07:07,459 --> 02:07:05,070
something like that would you want to

3138
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:07,469
really reveal to the American public

3139
02:07:13,220 --> 02:07:09,650
that there are multiple races

3140
02:07:15,890 --> 02:07:13,230
potentially engaging our you know human

3141
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:15,900
species around the world often engaged

3142
02:07:22,970 --> 02:07:19,530
with nuclear weapon tree rendering it

3143
02:07:27,169 --> 02:07:22,980
inert and isn't that a national security

3144
02:07:29,060 --> 02:07:27,179
threat would be yes it could be very

3145
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:29,070
dangerous information well there's so

3146
02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:30,690
many people who have stepped forward to

3147
02:07:34,459 --> 02:07:32,250
tell that story the Rendlesham forest

3148
02:07:36,979 --> 02:07:34,469
event which Peter Robbins and Larry

3149
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:36,989
Warren wrote the book on life the faded

3150
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:39,780
giant book by Robert Salas I mean here's

3151
02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:42,239
a captain of military and Malstrom Air

3152
02:07:47,330 --> 02:07:45,030
Force Base has his missile go down he's

3153
02:07:49,399 --> 02:07:47,340
finally decided to step forward so there

3154
02:07:52,279 --> 02:07:49,409
you have disclosure on a one-to-one

3155
02:07:53,930 --> 02:07:52,289
basis it's incremental it's it's just

3156
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:53,940
little baby steps yes

3157
02:07:58,540 --> 02:07:56,130
we go through history I tend to agree

3158
02:08:00,740 --> 02:07:58,550
with the assertion that the government

3159
02:08:02,390 --> 02:08:00,750
obviously knows much more than we do

3160
02:08:05,209 --> 02:08:02,400
that's why they're much more confused

3161
02:08:07,729 --> 02:08:05,219
and why they can't allow that confusion

3162
02:08:09,890 --> 02:08:07,739
to in any way undermine their control

3163
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:09,900
that they have over the population in

3164
02:08:13,130 --> 02:08:11,520
the subject with the gene and Chris

3165
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:13,140
we're talking to Jennifer Stein we're

3166
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:16,710
talking about the germination of this

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02:08:28,970 --> 02:08:20,610
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of saying the power cast that we are

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able to continue in that venture where

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outside of Scottsdale Arizona we are

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staple we had Peter Robbins and we're

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bringing it full circle discussing

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disclosure Chris pick up on this well

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Jennifer just to remind our listeners um

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one on one this this this very

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controversial topic that we've been

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discussing disclosure so you feel based

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on what what I'm hearing that disclosure

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is already happening but you don't do

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you feel that there's a some sort of

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smoking gun body of data that the

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government is holding on to or do you

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think it's so compartmentalized

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that the right hand doesn't really know

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how much the left hand knows but or do

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you think the private sector maybe is

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holding on to some of the key secrets

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where do you come down on how that

3296
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information has been divvied up well I

3297
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like many people in this field was very

3298
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hesitant to step forward in it and I had

3299
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my own sighting when I was quite young

3300
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when I was 19 and did not know what to

3301
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do with it I wrote it down as a dream

3302
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but yet in the middle of the dream I

3303
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actually go into my mother's room and

3304
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ask her if she sees this UFO that I see

3305
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and I realize about three or four weeks

3306
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later that it actually did happen and it

3307
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wasn't a dream because I approached my

3308
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mother later and I say mom did I come

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into your room and ask you about this

3310
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she said yes you did and I was quite

3311
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concerned for you because you you know

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did not look like you're in your normal

3313
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state of mind and I was afraid you were

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on drugs and of course I wasn't well 25

3315
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:48,440
years to the day

3316
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optically I've discovered that I wasn't

3317
02:14:54,939 --> 02:14:52,610
the only one that had that sighting and

3318
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when that happened a form of disclosure

3319
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happened internally and I realized that

3320
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I was either going to fully accept the

3321
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reality that I probably had a very close

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encounter with a huge white rectangular

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light that was probably 90 feet long and

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about six feet high I had an hour and a

3325
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half of missing time and either I was

3326
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gonna let this inform me you know

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emotionally psychologically IVA can

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accept accept it I was gonna process it

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I was gonna allow myself to move forward

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and read and not be afraid to talk

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openly about this or I wasn't and if I

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had the courage to allow myself it would

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change my life what's your professional

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background I am probably what you might

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call one of those people who never

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figured out what they wanted to do but

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I'm an artist and I worked in a lot of

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different genres and fields my

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educational background is a Bachelor of

3340
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Science from University of Arizona in

3341
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Tucson from there I designed and

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produced and manufactured women's

3343
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clothing in Philadelphia

3344
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did that for a number of years then I

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had children and decided I was going to

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be at home with them for a while and

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that course didn't last long I was

3348
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picked up to do volunteer charity work I

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got involved in Jewish women's

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organizations in Philadelphia and

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02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:10,489
fundraising I ended up making a

3352
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documentary film about a friend of mine

3353
02:16:16,660 --> 02:16:13,760
who was killed in the terrorist bus

3354
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:16,670
attack in 1989 in the First Intifada and

3355
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raised a hundred thousand dollars to

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open a legal aid Bureau in karmiel in

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memory of her to help turn that tragedy

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inside out and help to do something

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beneficial in the world to break down

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the misconceptions about arab-israeli as

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relations that taught me something about

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filmmaking was the first film I ever

3363
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made took two years of my life and you

3364
02:16:44,350 --> 02:16:42,200
know cost you know lots of toll and my

3365
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children and family but I was motivated

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02:16:47,610 --> 02:16:46,340
and driven to do it then I ended up

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opening an events business

3368
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and I ran a special events business

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02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:53,290
where I did weddings bar mitzvahs I know

3370
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:55,090
do flower arrangements I held people's

3371
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hands and walk them through life cycle

3372
02:17:01,410 --> 02:16:59,530
changes after 10 to 15 years of doing

3373
02:17:03,690 --> 02:17:01,420
that I couldn't get excited about the

3374
02:17:05,730 --> 02:17:03,700
next wedding and I knew it and I could

3375
02:17:08,009 --> 02:17:05,740
no longer authentically be an Events

3376
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Coordinator and I decided that I needed

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to do something more profound and I

3378
02:17:15,179 --> 02:17:12,880
wanted to fully give myself over to

3379
02:17:17,310 --> 02:17:15,189
doing films but they had to be films

3380
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that were paradigm-shifting for the

3381
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expansion of consciousness of humanity

3382
02:17:24,599 --> 02:17:22,059
and at the same time I decided to host

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3384
02:17:29,759 --> 02:17:28,359
under the title name mainline MUFON now

3385
02:17:32,190 --> 02:17:29,769
I live in Philadelphia on what's called

3386
02:17:33,480 --> 02:17:32,200
the mainline I used to live near you you

3387
02:17:35,639 --> 02:17:33,490
did well I of course you know the

3388
02:17:37,530 --> 02:17:35,649
mainline refers to a train line that

3389
02:17:39,690 --> 02:17:37,540
goes from Philadelphia to the Southwest

3390
02:17:42,060 --> 02:17:39,700
for 30 and it's a very conservative

3391
02:17:44,700 --> 02:17:42,070
community you know it's a the wealthy

3392
02:17:46,709 --> 02:17:44,710
suburbs north of the city and it's like

3393
02:17:49,500 --> 02:17:46,719
the westchester county of philadelphia

3394
02:17:52,290 --> 02:17:49,510
yes it was actually exactly so on the

3395
02:17:55,259 --> 02:17:52,300
one-year anniversary of 9/11 I hosted my

3396
02:17:57,089 --> 02:17:55,269
first meeting because at the events of

3397
02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:57,099
9/11 many psychic things were happening

3398
02:18:01,080 --> 02:17:57,969
to me

3399
02:18:03,139 --> 02:18:01,090
and I had a lot of guidance that I was

3400
02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:03,149
supposed to do something to help shift

3401
02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:05,590
consciousness and I'd use it what sense

3402
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:08,050
from where internal okay I'm sort of in

3403
02:18:11,610 --> 02:18:10,000
Charleston just felt in your gut I've

3404
02:18:13,169 --> 02:18:11,620
got to do this I felt that I had to

3405
02:18:15,330 --> 02:18:13,179
start connecting with my neighbors and

3406
02:18:16,589 --> 02:18:15,340
helping them open their minds to see

3407
02:18:18,839 --> 02:18:16,599
that there's something more than what's

3408
02:18:20,849 --> 02:18:18,849
going on on the boob tube you know

3409
02:18:22,980 --> 02:18:20,859
there's something more than reality TV

3410
02:18:25,020 --> 02:18:22,990
right now that's far more interesting so

3411
02:18:27,959 --> 02:18:25,030
turn reality TV of course is not reality

3412
02:18:30,179 --> 02:18:27,969
so what could you say so I was guided

3413
02:18:31,770 --> 02:18:30,189
because of the events of 9/11 and

3414
02:18:33,950 --> 02:18:31,780
because of people's lives that I know

3415
02:18:36,209 --> 02:18:33,960
are deeply affected and changed and

3416
02:18:38,669 --> 02:18:36,219
people that I knew who had lost loved

3417
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:38,679
ones who approached me and said Jen we

3418
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:40,960
have to do something what can we do so I

3419
02:18:46,349 --> 02:18:43,359
decided to host regular programs at my

3420
02:18:48,450 --> 02:18:46,359
local library I formed I start taught me

3421
02:18:50,219 --> 02:18:48,460
how myself how to do website stuff I

3422
02:18:53,310 --> 02:18:50,229
opened a website called mainline MUFON

3423
02:18:54,929 --> 02:18:53,320
and I was very unsure that this was what

3424
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:54,939
I should do and I thought about it the

3425
02:18:58,310 --> 02:18:56,010
whole year since 9:00

3426
02:18:59,960 --> 02:18:58,320
so I went to my library and said what

3427
02:19:01,581 --> 02:18:59,970
day do you have in September if I'm

3428
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:01,591
gonna do this I'll start in September

3429
02:19:06,470 --> 02:19:04,080
what day do you have available the only

3430
02:19:08,510 --> 02:19:06,480
date they had was September 11th and I

3431
02:19:10,550 --> 02:19:08,520
went oh my god what what what do I think

3432
02:19:12,890 --> 02:19:10,560
I'm doing I'm gonna do a program on crop

3433
02:19:14,121 --> 02:19:12,900
circles on September 11th who the heck

3434
02:19:16,250 --> 02:19:14,131
is gonna come into the one-year

3435
02:19:17,960 --> 02:19:16,260
anniversary of 9/11 I said well that's

3436
02:19:19,850 --> 02:19:17,970
the only date you have so I went home

3437
02:19:22,100 --> 02:19:19,860
and I thought about it and I doused on

3438
02:19:24,140 --> 02:19:22,110
it and I meditated and I said am I

3439
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:24,150
supposed to do this right you know my

3440
02:19:27,951 --> 02:19:26,160
god give me a sign I give me a sign you

3441
02:19:30,500 --> 02:19:27,961
know I got this resounding yes in my

3442
02:19:32,541 --> 02:19:30,510
head so I went okay I went back signed

3443
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up for the room and then I'm painting a

3444
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:34,290
room in my daughter's bedroom to get her

3445
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:36,240
ready for school in August and I said

3446
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:38,250
all right if I'm really supposed to do

3447
02:19:42,560 --> 02:19:40,530
this like I need another sign you know

3448
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:42,570
just like Demi and Owen have something

3449
02:19:46,490 --> 02:19:44,370
happen where I know I'm supposed to do

3450
02:19:48,890 --> 02:19:46,500
this an hour and a half later the phone

3451
02:19:51,470 --> 02:19:48,900
rings it's cn8 which is a television

3452
02:19:53,720 --> 02:19:51,480
network that's seven or eight states in

3453
02:19:55,581 --> 02:19:53,730
Philadelphia shot in Philadelphia a show

3454
02:19:57,740 --> 02:19:55,591
host they're called Lindell she has a

3455
02:19:59,930 --> 02:19:57,750
show called it's your call it's a call

3456
02:20:02,060 --> 02:19:59,940
in talk radio show she wants me to go

3457
02:20:04,011 --> 02:20:02,070
out and see the movie signs then she

3458
02:20:06,350 --> 02:20:04,021
wants me to come in and tell her what I

3459
02:20:08,541 --> 02:20:06,360
think about the movie so they give me a

3460
02:20:10,220 --> 02:20:08,551
pre-interview and she says to me in the

3461
02:20:12,650 --> 02:20:10,230
pre-interview do you know anything about

3462
02:20:14,780 --> 02:20:12,660
crop circles and I'm on the phone with

3463
02:20:16,581 --> 02:20:14,790
you know a couple of executive producers

3464
02:20:18,291 --> 02:20:16,591
and I say well why don't I just come

3465
02:20:19,970 --> 02:20:18,301
down to the studio and bring my film

3466
02:20:21,470 --> 02:20:19,980
footage and I'd been researching crop

3467
02:20:24,320 --> 02:20:21,480
circles that's really my main body of

3468
02:20:25,730 --> 02:20:24,330
research for 10 years as well and I said

3469
02:20:27,621 --> 02:20:25,740
why don't I come down and show you some

3470
02:20:29,841 --> 02:20:27,631
footage and let's talk you know seven

3471
02:20:31,820 --> 02:20:29,851
hours later they take a lot of my film

3472
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:31,830
footage right amateur photographer

3473
02:20:38,211 --> 02:20:36,450
overall of course they have no idea I'm

3474
02:20:41,480 --> 02:20:38,221
strapped into a helicopter with the dork

3475
02:20:43,530 --> 02:20:41,490
on a 45 degree shooting this strap but

3476
02:20:46,380 --> 02:20:43,540
they say amateur photographer

3477
02:20:48,090 --> 02:20:46,390
the hubris so just somebody sitting

3478
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:48,100
there with a little camcorder I don't

3479
02:20:51,960 --> 02:20:48,880
know big deal

3480
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:51,970
so hence that was my sign that I was

3481
02:20:56,639 --> 02:20:54,640
actually supposed to move forward and it

3482
02:20:58,679 --> 02:20:56,649
was uncanny the things that have

3483
02:21:01,469 --> 02:20:58,689
happened since I started mainline MUFON

3484
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,479
every month in Philadelphia I run a free

3485
02:21:05,820 --> 02:21:04,240
public program open to the public they

3486
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:05,830
can come in and I've brought in the

3487
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:07,930
likes of rich Dolan Peter Robin Stanton

3488
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:11,200
Friedman zecharia sitchin David Jacobs

3489
02:21:14,940 --> 02:21:12,970
and you name it and go to lips

3490
02:21:17,610 --> 02:21:14,950
Debbie Jacobs is your neighbor he's my

3491
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:17,620
neighbor we're friends and it's been a

3492
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:19,840
very moving and powerful transfer

3493
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:22,090
transformative process for me after

3494
02:21:27,150 --> 02:21:24,370
every program we have somebody comes up

3495
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:27,160
from the audience shy meek and says you

3496
02:21:30,480 --> 02:21:29,290
know I have a story I have a story and

3497
02:21:32,429 --> 02:21:30,490
I've learned to listen and be

3498
02:21:35,010 --> 02:21:32,439
compassionate about the disclosure

3499
02:21:37,620 --> 02:21:35,020
that's happening for them and isn't that

3500
02:21:39,570 --> 02:21:37,630
the thing too that maybe even if the

3501
02:21:42,059 --> 02:21:39,580
government's never wanted to disclose

3502
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:42,069
anything certain events to the wrong

3503
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:45,520
people could happen unpredictably of

3504
02:21:51,389 --> 02:21:48,160
course and suddenly they're forced to

3505
02:21:53,219 --> 02:21:51,399
reveal something in response you know

3506
02:21:56,400 --> 02:21:53,229
just like we were mentioning with you

3507
02:21:58,889 --> 02:21:56,410
know Peter Robbins before famous show

3508
02:22:02,250 --> 02:21:58,899
business personalities are reporting UFO

3509
02:22:05,099 --> 02:22:02,260
abductions Fran Drescher Sammy Hagar I'm

3510
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:05,109
sure you know were more people like that

3511
02:22:09,960 --> 02:22:07,600
and suddenly you have to pay attention

3512
02:22:11,160 --> 02:22:09,970
all the just whacky movie stars don't

3513
02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:11,170
pay attention to them that's the

3514
02:22:13,889 --> 02:22:13,120
reaction now but how long can that

3515
02:22:16,260 --> 02:22:13,899
continue

3516
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Jennifer Stein joins Jean and Chris in

3517
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[Music]

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02:26:49,650 --> 02:26:46,830
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3618
02:26:52,631 --> 02:26:49,660
listening to the Peres Cass

3619
02:26:55,870 --> 02:26:52,641
[Music]

3620
02:26:58,730 --> 02:26:55,880
Jennifer Stein joins gene and Chris on

3621
02:27:01,700 --> 02:26:58,740
location who could have thunk it yeah

3622
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:01,710
I'm having a great time gene Jen thank

3623
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:03,530
you so much for being here again

3624
02:27:10,580 --> 02:27:06,690
congratulations on a three-year process

3625
02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:10,590
that at one point I think we lost one of

3626
02:27:14,841 --> 02:27:12,690
our hard drives that we thought the

3627
02:27:18,171 --> 02:27:14,851
project had died and we couldn't

3628
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:18,181
resuscitate it for technical reasons and

3629
02:27:26,030 --> 02:27:21,090
I'll tell you and you didn't have mozi

3630
02:27:29,690 --> 02:27:26,040
back up or it was spread across four

3631
02:27:31,580 --> 02:27:29,700
drives it's doing videos is quite a

3632
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:31,590
process as many of our listeners are

3633
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:34,170
probably aware it's not easy it's not

3634
02:27:39,740 --> 02:27:36,690
like pointing your little camcorder at a

3635
02:27:41,751 --> 02:27:39,750
subject and getting an EB Award a lot of

3636
02:27:43,671 --> 02:27:41,761
sweat tears a lot of money a lot of

3637
02:27:46,430 --> 02:27:43,681
talent went into this and a lot of

3638
02:27:48,790 --> 02:27:46,440
revision willingness to step in exactly

3639
02:27:51,171 --> 02:27:48,800
get better it was a team effort

3640
02:27:52,551 --> 02:27:51,181
it's just you know anytime you have a

3641
02:27:55,400 --> 02:27:52,561
team effort you're gonna come up I think

3642
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:55,410
with a better quality product in and in

3643
02:28:01,970 --> 02:28:00,000
a better project now what what sort of

3644
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:01,980
parameters and this is interesting

3645
02:28:06,410 --> 02:28:04,050
because I've never asked you this when

3646
02:28:08,961 --> 02:28:06,420
you sat these folks down did you

3647
02:28:12,171 --> 02:28:08,971
actually give them a certain parameter

3648
02:28:14,620 --> 02:28:12,181
or subject matter to talk about or did

3649
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:14,630
you just let them go with it because I

3650
02:28:19,730 --> 02:28:18,000
noticed that some of the pairings tended

3651
02:28:21,230 --> 02:28:19,740
to really focus in on certain elements

3652
02:28:23,620 --> 02:28:21,240
of disclosure whether its cultural

3653
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:23,630
government technological the

3654
02:28:28,400 --> 02:28:26,730
implications religious did you actually

3655
02:28:30,591 --> 02:28:28,410
lead them and prompt them or did you

3656
02:28:33,051 --> 02:28:30,601
just say hey this is the subject go for

3657
02:28:35,270 --> 02:28:33,061
it well we did do some pre shoot

3658
02:28:36,770 --> 02:28:35,280
planning and I worked that out a little

3659
02:28:39,591 --> 02:28:36,780
bit with Stephen Bassett and that we

3660
02:28:42,881 --> 02:28:39,601
plan to shoot at one of his last X

3661
02:28:46,280 --> 02:28:42,891
conferences that he hosted at the

3662
02:28:48,501 --> 02:28:46,290
National Press Club in Washington DC so

3663
02:28:50,330 --> 02:28:48,511
working with Steve I was able to know

3664
02:28:51,591 --> 02:28:50,340
who were the conference presenters who

3665
02:28:53,631 --> 02:28:51,601
were going to be there what their

3666
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:53,641
backgrounds were when they were speaking

3667
02:28:57,430 --> 02:28:55,530
and when we could steal them away so

3668
02:29:00,220 --> 02:28:57,440
there's a lot of pre scheduling

3669
02:29:01,751 --> 02:29:00,230
to behind-the-scenes work and that that

3670
02:29:03,970 --> 02:29:01,761
could be rough to don't leave me I

3671
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:03,980
contacted the months in advance and said

3672
02:29:07,211 --> 02:29:05,450
you're going to be at this conference I

3673
02:29:09,371 --> 02:29:07,221
want you to be aware that we're going to

3674
02:29:11,740 --> 02:29:09,381
ask you to do an interview with this I

3675
02:29:13,930 --> 02:29:11,750
sent them pre releases and things like

3676
02:29:15,911 --> 02:29:13,940
that so we have all that clear by the

3677
02:29:18,820 --> 02:29:15,921
time we were ready to start to shoot and

3678
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:18,830
then when they came to the room I said

3679
02:29:22,511 --> 02:29:20,570
to them this is a new project that's

3680
02:29:25,180 --> 02:29:22,521
never been done before nothing like this

3681
02:29:27,430 --> 02:29:25,190
has really ever been attempted but we're

3682
02:29:31,511 --> 02:29:27,440
interested in dealing with the topic of

3683
02:29:33,430 --> 02:29:31,521
UFOs the topic of disclosure but to

3684
02:29:36,791 --> 02:29:33,440
everyone that means something else and

3685
02:29:38,530 --> 02:29:36,801
it's very personal so we want you to be

3686
02:29:40,150 --> 02:29:38,540
in dialogue and ask one another

3687
02:29:45,041 --> 02:29:40,160
questions that you've always wanted to

3688
02:29:47,801 --> 02:29:45,051
know of each other so I kind of gave

3689
02:29:49,871 --> 02:29:47,811
them free rein but I watch the clock I

3690
02:29:51,640 --> 02:29:49,881
put the tapes in I set the sound I said

3691
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:51,650
wait a minute test to your test there

3692
02:29:56,501 --> 02:29:54,080
and then I basically said one two three

3693
02:29:58,961 --> 02:29:56,511
go and introduce yourself these are the

3694
02:30:01,900 --> 02:29:58,971
things I need you to say but beyond that

3695
02:30:05,770 --> 02:30:01,910
I need you to be really authentic and I

3696
02:30:08,801 --> 02:30:05,780
also encourage them to be willing to

3697
02:30:11,470 --> 02:30:08,811
take risks willing to ask questions that

3698
02:30:13,331 --> 02:30:11,480
they might be afraid what kind of

3699
02:30:15,220 --> 02:30:13,341
reaction they might get but something

3700
02:30:17,490 --> 02:30:15,230
new and special what happened so it was

3701
02:30:21,190 --> 02:30:17,500
my version of a reality documentary

3702
02:30:23,081 --> 02:30:21,200
right but trying to go more in depth

3703
02:30:25,211 --> 02:30:23,091
under the surface because I knew new

3704
02:30:27,251 --> 02:30:25,221
things would surface that I would never

3705
02:30:30,791 --> 02:30:27,261
know to ask well you know what really

3706
02:30:33,430 --> 02:30:30,801
amazed me is you got 20-plus people

3707
02:30:36,850 --> 02:30:33,440
talking about a single topic in pairs

3708
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:36,860
and there was very little overlap as an

3709
02:30:41,950 --> 02:30:39,290
editor I mean to me it was just so it

3710
02:30:45,100 --> 02:30:41,960
was like this cornucopia of wonderful

3711
02:30:47,020 --> 02:30:45,110
data and in incredible information that

3712
02:30:49,091 --> 02:30:47,030
that me is someone long time involved in

3713
02:30:51,911 --> 02:30:49,101
this field and you know I'm a bit of a

3714
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:51,921
researcher I learned so much from just

3715
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:53,210
sitting down and listening to these

3716
02:30:57,190 --> 02:30:55,250
dialogues in it to me it was like a kid

3717
02:30:59,650 --> 02:30:57,200
in a candy store I was able to have all

3718
02:31:01,270 --> 02:30:59,660
these wonderful points of view and it's

3719
02:31:02,921 --> 02:31:01,280
just you know the whole way the thing

3720
02:31:05,501 --> 02:31:02,931
unfolded I think the Matt

3721
02:31:07,211 --> 02:31:05,511
Klee was due to the fact that each of

3722
02:31:09,251 --> 02:31:07,221
these pairings I mean I think it was

3723
02:31:11,411 --> 02:31:09,261
brilliant on your part the way that you

3724
02:31:15,011 --> 02:31:11,421
paired specific individuals because they

3725
02:31:17,201 --> 02:31:15,021
naturally came up with a with a really

3726
02:31:19,211 --> 02:31:17,211
neat give-and-take and and and for me it

3727
02:31:20,921 --> 02:31:19,221
was it was a real wonder and a joy to

3728
02:31:22,331 --> 02:31:20,931
actually put this thing together even

3729
02:31:24,821 --> 02:31:22,341
though I disagree but a lot of what I

3730
02:31:26,381 --> 02:31:24,831
was hearing I learned a lot and I really

3731
02:31:28,600 --> 02:31:26,391
I you know again I tip my hat to you

3732
02:31:31,180 --> 02:31:28,610
publicly about that well Chris me I also

3733
02:31:33,071 --> 02:31:31,190
tip my hat to you because this project

3734
02:31:35,350 --> 02:31:33,081
probably would not have gotten the legs

3735
02:31:37,781 --> 02:31:35,360
of the gun if it didn't have someone

3736
02:31:41,111 --> 02:31:37,791
with an insight and background in this

3737
02:31:43,781 --> 02:31:41,121
topic as you did and of course the

3738
02:31:46,361 --> 02:31:43,791
talent and expertise and diligence due

3739
02:31:47,861 --> 02:31:46,371
diligence that you put into making it

3740
02:31:50,770 --> 02:31:47,871
happen and Ron and I are very grateful

3741
02:31:52,871 --> 02:31:50,780
thank you REM now those who have haven't

3742
02:31:54,251 --> 02:31:52,881
seen the film and we only have a few

3743
02:31:56,131 --> 02:31:54,261
months left this weekend we're going to

3744
02:32:00,461 --> 02:31:56,141
have you back in the future Jennifer

3745
02:32:03,011 --> 02:32:00,471
what can you tell our listeners that

3746
02:32:06,310 --> 02:32:03,021
they should expect to see if they're

3747
02:32:08,291 --> 02:32:06,320
going to watch all so many hours of 10

3748
02:32:09,970 --> 02:32:08,301
or 12 hours is there well the first

3749
02:32:12,310 --> 02:32:09,980
thing I would say is this is a great

3750
02:32:15,671 --> 02:32:12,320
piece to share with friends and family

3751
02:32:17,951 --> 02:32:15,681
it's also a piece that allows you to go

3752
02:32:20,201 --> 02:32:17,961
into any chapter of it like a book you

3753
02:32:23,171 --> 02:32:20,211
can sit down and reread or pick up any

3754
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:23,181
chapter you want this is a chapter DVD

3755
02:32:30,220 --> 02:32:25,610
of dialogues okay so each one is not

3756
02:32:32,350 --> 02:32:30,230
dependent on the one you can put the DVD

3757
02:32:35,651 --> 02:32:32,360
in your player and pick anything you

3758
02:32:38,081 --> 02:32:35,661
want to watch and there's our film that

3759
02:32:39,881 --> 02:32:38,091
we won here actually we won these two

3760
02:32:43,661 --> 02:32:39,891
awards which it's really a great honor

3761
02:32:45,881 --> 02:32:43,671
that's the first of five DVDs so it's 10

3762
02:32:48,881 --> 02:32:45,891
hours worth of film footage basically

3763
02:32:50,921 --> 02:32:48,891
for 29.95 it's really a very unique

3764
02:32:52,631 --> 02:32:50,931
product most DVDs that are out there are

3765
02:32:54,791 --> 02:32:52,641
an hour and 20 minutes and they're

3766
02:32:56,381 --> 02:32:54,801
selling them for 2995 months and

3767
02:32:58,871 --> 02:32:56,391
production values aren't very good and

3768
02:33:02,230 --> 02:32:58,881
one thing I saw even from the

3769
02:33:05,350 --> 02:33:02,240
promotional pieces this is professional

3770
02:33:08,651 --> 02:33:05,360
work this is work that you can play this

3771
02:33:09,841 --> 02:33:08,661
thing on television and we will say this

3772
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:09,851
is a professional

3773
02:33:14,070 --> 02:33:12,250
yes and we'd be very interested in

3774
02:33:16,110 --> 02:33:14,080
communicating with anyone who's

3775
02:33:19,830 --> 02:33:16,120
interested in hosting a screening of the

3776
02:33:22,171 --> 02:33:19,840
first DVD I think that Ron James would

3777
02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:22,181
be very happy to also have some of this

3778
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:24,130
information get out there we would like

3779
02:33:29,131 --> 02:33:26,650
to talk to them please you know contact

3780
02:33:32,430 --> 02:33:29,141
Ron James or myself I can be reached

3781
02:33:34,501 --> 02:33:32,440
through mainline MUFON comm and soon

3782
02:33:36,751 --> 02:33:34,511
I'll create a website for my production

3783
02:33:37,801 --> 02:33:36,761
company on wings productions so I'll ask

3784
02:33:40,261 --> 02:33:37,811
you what's the sequel

3785
02:33:46,440 --> 02:33:40,271
what's the sequel ok has to be a sequel

3786
02:33:48,211 --> 02:33:46,450
you know interesting I can tell you

3787
02:33:50,251 --> 02:33:48,221
Steven Bassett would love to see them

3788
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:50,261
and I can tell you there are many top

3789
02:33:56,791 --> 02:33:53,530
experts who would and could and should

3790
02:33:59,940 --> 02:33:56,801
be in a sequel and that might be a very

3791
02:34:02,100 --> 02:33:59,950
noble project I would actually like to

3792
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:02,110
see a spin-off project of this which was

3793
02:34:05,970 --> 02:34:03,730
part of the original intention

3794
02:34:08,280 --> 02:34:05,980
I see the spiritual communities and

3795
02:34:12,390 --> 02:34:08,290
Danny Sheehan really stepping forward

3796
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:12,400
with open minds ministries and making a

3797
02:34:17,430 --> 02:34:15,250
DVD possibly of just his interview with

3798
02:34:19,350 --> 02:34:17,440
Danny and when you know the interview

3799
02:34:21,150 --> 02:34:19,360
between Danny or Richard Dolan giving

3800
02:34:23,131 --> 02:34:21,160
that to spiritual communities and saying

3801
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:23,141
when the spiritual community is ready

3802
02:34:27,480 --> 02:34:25,120
this is a first step of a bigger project

3803
02:34:29,150 --> 02:34:27,490
that you might like to know about and

3804
02:34:31,410 --> 02:34:29,160
the other question would be what about

3805
02:34:34,860 --> 02:34:31,420
interesting and network not even

3806
02:34:37,890 --> 02:34:34,870
necessarily the NBC CBS or Fox but the

3807
02:34:40,171 --> 02:34:37,900
cable network to show this film is that

3808
02:34:42,390 --> 02:34:40,181
possible or is that something that well

3809
02:34:43,921 --> 02:34:42,400
well give me permission I've got three

3810
02:34:46,200 --> 02:34:43,931
cable networks in Philly he'll already

3811
02:34:47,970 --> 02:34:46,210
wanted I think that national cable

3812
02:34:50,100 --> 02:34:47,980
network something like sci-fi I'm

3813
02:34:51,810 --> 02:34:50,110
thinking of discovering things like what

3814
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:51,820
hack we'd love to talk to the show we

3815
02:34:57,979 --> 02:34:55,050
also like to make back our investments

3816
02:35:00,679 --> 02:34:57,989
I was not an inexpensive project it took

3817
02:35:03,340 --> 02:35:00,689
three years to get this but you know put

3818
02:35:07,069 --> 02:35:03,350
this shooting on multiple coasts

3819
02:35:10,309 --> 02:35:07,079
multiple gear and it's and multiple

3820
02:35:13,580 --> 02:35:10,319
purchases of drives and things yeah so

3821
02:35:15,620 --> 02:35:13,590
we'd like to recoup our expenses and the

3822
02:35:18,710 --> 02:35:15,630
other goal of this film is that each

3823
02:35:21,500 --> 02:35:18,720
person that is in it rich Dolan and Nick

3824
02:35:23,389 --> 02:35:21,510
Pope can all have their own link they

3825
02:35:25,099 --> 02:35:23,399
can all sell the film's through their

3826
02:35:27,170 --> 02:35:25,109
own website through their participation

3827
02:35:31,939 --> 02:35:27,180
in it and by doing so they will each

3828
02:35:35,149 --> 02:35:31,949
make a small profit it's it's not about

3829
02:35:39,080 --> 02:35:35,159
us as filmmakers it's about the mission

3830
02:35:41,630 --> 02:35:39,090
and the goal and the whole topic of

3831
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:41,640
disclosure will educate people they've

3832
02:35:47,420 --> 02:35:44,130
got to this is a perfect vehicle to

3833
02:35:50,599 --> 02:35:47,430
educate yourself about the topic it is

3834
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:50,609
such a loaded word when when you use

3835
02:35:55,099 --> 02:35:53,010
that disclosure word and a lot of people

3836
02:35:57,649 --> 02:35:55,109
are in confusion about it we're just

3837
02:35:59,990 --> 02:35:57,659
about out of time here and that clock I

3838
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:00,000
cannot change what happens I can't go

3839
02:36:03,679 --> 02:36:01,130
into the wrong time zone

3840
02:36:04,939 --> 02:36:03,689
Jennifer Stine tell our listeners once

3841
02:36:07,309 --> 02:36:04,949
again because you mentioned it before

3842
02:36:10,099 --> 02:36:07,319
where they can find more of your stuff

3843
02:36:14,540 --> 02:36:10,109
well for now it's just my nonprofit

3844
02:36:17,389 --> 02:36:14,550
organization wwm mainline MUFON comm

3845
02:36:19,399 --> 02:36:17,399
it's a fast easy way to connect with me

3846
02:36:22,010 --> 02:36:19,409
or through Facebook googling me or

3847
02:36:24,740 --> 02:36:22,020
mainline MUFON on Facebook but I'll load

3848
02:36:26,809 --> 02:36:24,750
a website soon for on for myself and on

3849
02:36:28,819 --> 02:36:26,819
wings productions Chris tell our

3850
02:36:31,399 --> 02:36:28,829
listeners about your stuff our strange

3851
02:36:33,050 --> 02:36:31,409
planet comm and that forum dr. Perik as

3852
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:33,060
comm we have one of the most active

3853
02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:35,520
forum audiences and participants out

3854
02:36:41,719 --> 02:36:37,680
there and we look forward to seeing you

3855
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:41,729
there and remember on Twitter we are the

3856
02:36:45,400 --> 02:36:43,130
para cast

3857
02:36:54,349 --> 02:36:45,410
okay Jennifer Stein thank you so much

3858
02:37:00,750 --> 02:36:57,870
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3859
02:37:03,769 --> 02:37:00,760
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3860
02:37:07,500 --> 02:37:03,779
presentation of making the impossible